No offense is intended, and I appreciate your sentiment, but I don't share it. The patches in question are rather common and I don't question the patriotism of the veterans I see displaying it.
Posted on 09/22/2015 8:49:25 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
A member of the Desgraciados Motorcycle Club named George Bergman appeared at an examining trial last Friday in Waco. Bergman had just arrived at the Twin Peaks restaurant last May 17 and was walking to the Don Carlos restaurant on the other side of the parking lot to use the bathroom there when he heard a gun shot.
He was detained, found to be in possession of two, small, legal knives incarcerated for hours and finally arrested. He spent 20 days in jail before being released on $80,000 bail. He lost his job and continues to suffer from injuries suffered during his incarceration. Last Friday he asked that the charges against him be dismissed because there was no probable cause to believe that he was guilty of participating in organized criminal activity.
A judge named James E. Morgan refused to dismiss the charges so Bergman’s nightmare will continue. But before he left the court he read the following statement into the record.
(snip)
"I then saw one police officer in front of me just shooting wildly toward the crowd at Twin Peaks with a rifle..."
Only at your constant lies.
I do not really care about patches or tattoos.
My point is that those symbols mean something within the community of those for/to whom they display those symbols. Otherwise they would not proudly display those symbols for the world and most importantly their buddies, to see. If it was only for a personal meaning, not to be shared with others, they would put the patches on their p.j.s and put the tattoos on parts of the body no one else would see.
If the DA can make something of it, w.r.t. the case of supporting a criminal gang aka conspiracy, he is the one who has to figure out what those symbols mean to that community of biker gangs and why that might relate to a conspiracy, and in addition, be able to convince a Jury. Not my job. I don’t CARE other than that I conclude, those symbols do mean something and wearing them is indented to convey something, within their own community.
In the mean time I am more concerned about DBH and thousand board feet, and how to get rid of invasive species.
Lol...is your butt sore?
THAT is how gullible mac truck is. He believes whatever ludicrous conspiracy crap that law enforcement "experts" and realty TV shows assure him about biker culture.
Just so you know how very naïve, credible, susceptible, and suggestible mac truck is. He is dead wrong about bikers in clubs, and dead dangerous to American freedom.
LOLOLOL!! That's fabulously well put!!!
Some of these people actually believe such poppycock, such as the diamond 13 patch means "I sell meth or pot or both," and is EXACTLY like believing that "anyone who wears a Rebel flag is a card-carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan." SPOT ON with regard to the melodramatic naivete such people indulge in when falling for the "experts on patch meanings" propagandists.
Those people are just naïve church lady types whose exposure to the "real" world is through fake TV productions and "journalist" newscasts in History Channel and realty TV show crap; they've never actually been around bikers long enough to recognize that they're being LIED TO by LEO "experts" and "journalists." That's one thing.
But I absolutely think some of the folks on FR only pretend to believe such poppycock. That is more dangerous and perplexing. They know as well as you and I do that the narrative is horse manure believable only to the most gullible and sheltered, but on FR they pretend to believe it earnestly. That little bit of reality, that they are pretending to believe what they post (I've seen it before on other topics with operatives) is what makes this Waco thing take on such a stench as it is discussed on FR (not on other forums, such as Truth about Guns, etc).
So all’s you have is high school insults? Liar.
Your American Style patch bothered me. Red White and Blue, our Sacred Federal Colors, used on a patch of a woman.
Now I know why it bothered me.
I am at the farm with fresh air and sweat, and time to think while doing manual labor.
In the interest of following up on my research, I even have the reference here at the farm.
Intro: TOO many brave men have died, defending the colors. To let your use of those sacred colors on a patch using a woman to provoke innuendo, to go unremarked, I cannot.
So here it is:
One example of men who gave up their lives for the Sacred Colors of our Nation. Not to mention Iwo Jima ... well people know about that, they do know know about this example from the Civil War.
“The incident that made the most vivid impression was the devoted stand made by the color guard [of the 103rd OVI of Ohio] in defense of their flag. The sergeant who carried the colors, Martin Striebler [Streibler], was a member of Co. E, a magnificent man, six feet and four inches tall, of gigantic mold . . . was beloved by the entire regiment for his gentle ways, his voice was soft and kind . . . . too brave to lie down with the rest and although so ordered, stood up manfully waving the colors over the Regiment. The color guard stood up with him until they were all killed or wounded . . . The colors were seized by one corporal after another . . . “
Etc.
That bloodied flag is now in the flag room at Columbus, Ohio.
And now . . . OK, freedom of expression, bikers use those Sacred Colors that so many of this one Regiment died for, in this one Civil War Battle, not to mention all the other times and places that brave men died to protect the Colors, as a patch of sexual innuendo?? Spare me, PLEASE.
That is not what the Red White and Blue is about.
No, but it seems to be all you have...as anyone who reads our exchange on this thread can plainly see.
-btw I have noticed that whenever the discussion focuses on the evidence in this case you start intentionally misinterpreting what other people are saying...creating a basis with which to throw the "liar" accusation.
However I did refer to you as a "genius" up-thread so I guess I better plead guilty...:^)
When you misrepresent what I have posted you are a liar. Since you are guilty of that you are still a liar. I have Never posted that this was a police “massacre”. Once again you are the one misrepresenting the facts.
Facts not in evidence. Aren’t you the one that posted that the ATF is doing the analysis on the guns from the shootout?
My comment was directed at the false notion that the Twin Peaks shootout was a police "massacre"...whether you ascribe to that notion or not doesn't matter.
You were calling me a liar before I made that comment. See 84
You did the same thing on another thread on the same topic when you started losing the factual argument.
Still lying.
and you’re still a douchebag...c’est la vie
There you go lying again.
Apparently you didn't read what he had to say. You should try spending a few hours zip tied, and then get back to us on that.
Considering there has been no ballistics evidence released, you don't have any evidence at all.
Robert has a way with words.
Why should Bergman be taken at his word?
He was clearly lying when he said he was on his way to Don Carlos when the shooting broke out.
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