Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of engaging in organized criminal activity. There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called the investigative impulse in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern Universitys Medill School of Journalism, in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that people have a right to question their leaders.
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. Any time a prosecutors office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it, a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they dont want us to see or know about. You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either off the record or deep background, this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
The Associated Press defines information gained off the record as information that cannot be used for publication. The same news agency and most publications define deep background as information that can be used but without attribution. The source does not want to be identified in any way, even on condition of anonymity. Generally, information gained off the record can only be used after being substantiated by additional independent sources. Off the record information tells reporters where to llok and what to look for.
Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls Exemption Seven or one of three Exclusions.
The exempt information is defined as, Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes. The three exclusions are: One, Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding; two, Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individuals status as an informant is not known; and three, Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as transnational gangs.
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why gang investigations are always classified as ongoing even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as speculative. As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source is not credible.
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
“since you announce you are an associate of criminal biker gangs”
Past associate, sure. I would have been what is known as a “hanger on”, though I never participated in any of their criminal activities. I’ve long since disassociated myselves with them.
Yea. There seem to be a lot of “special circumstances” where the Police are concerned. I was just pointing out that there are some people here that post in absolutes. And you were absolutely wrong.
And apparently you think that burning, how many?, alive is O.K. too. Not discounting the conspiracy theory that the Davidians burned themselves alive.
But we’re getting away from the topic now, aren’t we?
“GOD HELP US if you are in law enforcement — and I bet you are.”
Lol, bad guess, I’m actually an IT guy. If anyone bothers to dig into my posting history, that should be fairly apparent.
“There seem to be a lot of special circumstances where the Police are concerned.”
Boo friggin hoo. Yes, the law treats shooting a police dog differently, because he is an agent of the law in performance of his duties, even if he is not human.
“And apparently you think that burning, how many?, alive is O.K. too”
Wrong! I never said anything of the sort, and in fact, if you bother to go back and check my response that first referred to the Davidians, I specifically said I was only taking exception with the false claim that the Davidians shot first.
I’ll take that as an admission that you made claims against other FReepers without having any actual knowledge to back it up then.
I am new to these kinds of threads, I’ve only seen them pop up from time to time and made only a casual mental note of them. This one I decided to read a bit more carefully to try to catch myself up on this case. So anyone who wishes to bring me up to speed please note my admitted, innocent ignorance of the facts here and also note while I’m new to this discussion I’m not an FR Noob.
With that out of the way, I have just two questions (for now) after reading what TexasGator posted:
1. If these two biker gangs (or clubs or whatever they are) hated each other so much, why did they assemble next to each other at this location in such mass?
This is one question I’ve had since the beginning. What were the mechanics, so to speak, of this assembly? Did one or two of one gang show up, and then two of the other, and then five of the one, and then 10 of the other? Or did they both come “en masse”, so to speak, all at once?
And either way, again, why would two rival gangs (or clubs) group together like that in such large numbers from each? If they so hated each other? That just doesn’t seem right to me.
2. This is the main question if like answered, because it’s really not clear to me: Am I right to say that over 150 American Citizens are sitting in jail right now, without having been charged with a crime? Because if so, I don’t care if they are gay, Muslime, kiddy touching Democrats, no American Citizen should sit in a jail cell without any charges for over, what is it 3 months now?
If they have been charged, then ok (I guess) but I’d still ask when is their expected trial date (or have they waived the right to a speedy trial?)
To me, for now, these seem like the only pertinent questions.
Thanks,
“Perhaps you should read the Constitution.”
I have. Perhaps you should look up the legal definitions of the terms:
BAIL
BOND
MONEY BAIL
The observation/teaching/phrase that "love of money is the root of all evil" COMES FROM THE BIBLE. Period. It is the sole and original source of that sentiment if you're referring to that saying's use anywhere in Western Civilization, for the past 2,000 years.
The bibles doesn't "contain a similar quote." IT IS THE SOURCE OF THE TEACHING AND WARNING that "Love of money is the root of all evil."
Anyone who quotes it or mis-quotes it (leaving out the "love of" and attributing qualities of evil to an object as opposed to behavior) is DRAWING FROM THIS BIBLICAL QUOTE.
You continue to prove to all who read these threads that you are only 1% NOT full of crap. Yes, you are a 1 percenter.
Finny, you have no evidence to back up any of your crazy accusations against me, but you should know that calling FReepers names like you have, without any evidence, is probably not something you should ping the boss too :P
“You are aware, I presume, that binary thinking such as yours is disordered? “
You are aware that continuing to make personal attacks such as you do INSTEAD of refuting the facts of my post is an indication that you are personally related to the issue and can only address the issue with ‘noise’.
“The observation/teaching/phrase that “love of money is the root of all evil” COMES FROM THE BIBLE. Period.”
Still doesn’t mean he was quoting the Bible.
I’m not really surprised that you seem unable to understand that distinction though.
JR has zotted people for less that that!
Why just yesterday Crystal zotted by JR for less.
“..I specifically said I was only taking exception with the false claim that the Davidians shot first...”
As you say. “Irrelevant”. Can we quit talking about the Davidians now?
Except BTW. If a damn animal is chewing my arm off I’m gonna shoot him if I can. Or, if I have a knife, which I always do, stab him. Or it. Crap. Now animals have the same rights as humans? I wonder. Did the dog raise himself to the level of Police, or do the police lower themselves to the same level as the dog?
“You got the quote WRONG. Get it right next time by looking it up, 1 Timothy 6:10, in the Bible, in a discussion about those desiring to be rich: “
Money, get away
Get a good job with more pay and you’re okay
Money, it’s a gas
Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four star daydream
Think I’ll buy me a football team
Money, get back
I’m all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack
Money, it’s a hit
Don’t give me that do goody good bullshit
I’m in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a Lear jet
Money, it’s a crime
Share it fairly but don’t take a slice of my pie
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today
But if you ask for a raise it’s no surprise
That they’re giving none away
Away, away, way
Away, away, away
“As you say. Irrelevant. Can we quit talking about the Davidians now?”
I think it was a gangsterbot, not boogieman that brought up the Davidians.
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