Yeah, we can let the rest rot in jail, eh?
Revolting. In every meaning of the word.
Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of “engaging in organized criminal activity.” There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called “the investigative impulse” in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism, “in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that ‘people have a right to question their leaders.’”
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. “Any time a prosecutor’s office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it,” a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. “They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they don’t want us to see or know about.” You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either “off the record” or “deep background,” this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
The Associated Press defines information gained “off the record” as information that “cannot be used for publication.” The same news agency and most publications define “deep background” as information that “can be used but without attribution. The source does not want to be identified in any way, even on condition of anonymity.” Generally, information gained off the record can only be used after being substantiated by additional independent sources. Off the record information tells reporters where to llok and what to look for.
Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls “Exemption Seven” or one of three “Exclusions.”
The exempt information is defined as, “Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes.” The three exclusions are: One, “Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding;” two, “Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individual’s status as an informant is not known; and three, “Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.”
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as “transnational gangs.”
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why “gang investigations” are always classified as “ongoing” even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as “speculative.” As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, “A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source…is not credible.”
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
“but then give the LEO’s in this case a pass.
You can’t give them a pass!!!”
Get some evidence for your accusations against them, then.
Otherwise, it’s no different than the “Black Lives Matter” BS.
Yea. How ‘bout that.
There have also been allegations that there were undercover cops that instigated the whole thing.
I wonder how many cops were actually undercover/regular members?
Naw. Couldn’t be any. Because “all” at Twin Peaks were criminals.
Lol, he wasn’t quoting the Bible.
Law enforcement has made their bed in America and they don’t like it any longer. I am not sympathetic.
“Six months incarcerated with only vague charges and no evidence is a serious affront to a citizen’s liberty & rights”
Umm... most of them made bail and aren’t incarcerated, eh? Try to keep up...
The rest of your post is just your usual nonsense.
Ha, sure there isn’t. At least not on the conspiracy blogs you get all your information from.
Actual eyewitnesses (including the bikers themselves) say otherwise though.
Yes. Which only adds to the debate and leads to conjecture on both sides.
“I’m on record”.... not answering the question.
Do you think criminal biker gangs don’t exist?
“Those who talk the loudest about “criminal biker gangs” know the least about how a motorcycle club actually functions, let alone a 1%er club.”
Do you know any 1%ers? Care to go on record on that?
I do know them personally. I’ve already stated that before, so accusing me of ignorance in this regard is foolish. Heck, I was even invited to prospect for a support club of the Outlaws, and I don’t even ride! Support club was eager for members, obviously :)
Aging Rebel is already a well known outlaw motorcycle gang propaganda soap box, and the main blogger there has completely discredited himself on the Waco story already.
In Country Vets, False Accusations, Unethical “Journalism” And The Aging Rebel
Plenty of bikers who aren't in gangs are well aware of this even if the local posse of resident "experts" aren't.
Already in place.....
No my premise is not wrong. For some reason you seem to think that these so called ‘clubs’ are nice folks....they are NOT
“He’d only pointed his gun at himself, and almost certainly could have been talked into peaceful surrender. “
The police were called because he was having an argument with Dub’s daughter and had fired a gun in the house.
In the next twelve hours he ranted, raved, brandished his gun and threatened the cops.
He again fired his gun which precipitated the cop shooting him.
This dude was NEVER about peaceful surrender.
Really?
Prove it.
“Yeah, we can let the rest rot in jail, eh?”
Standard procedure in this great country for those who don’t post bail, buddy.
So enlighten us poor stupid rubes and post a link to the official story of what happened at Twin Peaks. Put up or shut up. Consider yourself called out.
“There have also been allegations that there were undercover cops that instigated the whole thing.”
According to multiple police statements and newspaper reports, the tension between the crews goes back nearly a year, and is over drug trafficking, respect taxes and colors – all familiar issues in the world of outlaw motorcycle gangs. Hostilities appear to have begun when Bandidos members beat Cossack at a Toys for Tots event on December 6. Then, a week later, three Bandidos burst into a bar and opened fire, killing a Cossacks member. In March, there were multiple fights between the two clubs, including a Cossacks group beating and robbing a Bandidos member, then several weeks later, the Bandidos returning the favor with a beating of a Cossacks rider. All of this violence is standard when dealing with biker feuds, epics conflicts that have seen men executed wholesale, sometimes by their own club.
So any conspiracy theorist’s idea that the Bandidos and Cossacks were just getting together for an amiable brunch over mimosas and crepes is simply wrong. These were two gangs that hated each other, and needed little in the way of an excuse for things to go horribly awry. Unless one wants to make the argument that the feud was concocted from the very start by a police agitator, which is not supported by evidence, it’s clear that the meeting – and very likely the shootout – was going to take place, police involvement or not.
https://skeptoid.com/blog/2015/06/09/the-truth-about-waco-biker-shooting-truthers/
“I wonder how many cops were actually undercover/regular members?”
I would say it’s almost guaranteed that the Bandidos were infiltrated by law enforcement. If so, good job LE, they are supposed to be infiltrating and taking down criminal organizations like that.
“Naw. Couldn’t be any. Because “all” at Twin Peaks were criminals.”
Nope, at least 70 non-criminal bikers who attended that day were not arrested.
Apparently you didn’t bother to check the penal code reference in your own quote, as the statute eviscerates the argument you are trying to make.
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