Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of engaging in organized criminal activity. There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called the investigative impulse in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern Universitys Medill School of Journalism, in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that people have a right to question their leaders.
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. Any time a prosecutors office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it, a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they dont want us to see or know about. You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either off the record or deep background, this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
The Associated Press defines information gained off the record as information that cannot be used for publication. The same news agency and most publications define deep background as information that can be used but without attribution. The source does not want to be identified in any way, even on condition of anonymity. Generally, information gained off the record can only be used after being substantiated by additional independent sources. Off the record information tells reporters where to llok and what to look for.
Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls Exemption Seven or one of three Exclusions.
The exempt information is defined as, Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes. The three exclusions are: One, Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding; two, Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individuals status as an informant is not known; and three, Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as transnational gangs.
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why gang investigations are always classified as ongoing even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as speculative. As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source is not credible.
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
“Diving under a table is participating.”
People generally tend to take cover in a gunfight, even the participants.
Well, as long as you're crapping on The First Amendment, care to try for the religion clauses, too?
Six months delay before trial with specific charges and serious evidence is normal, even preferable if on bail, giving time to formulate a viable defense.
Six months incarcerated with only vague charges and no evidence is a serious affront to a citizen’s liberty & rights.
I understand what’s the norm. I also understand what looks like the state desperately doing everything it can to nail them on _something_ to avoid a _very_ embarrassing outcome (to wit: “sniper ambush” without good cause). They’d better have a good case (both legitimate & winnable), because if they don’t a bunch of their own will be in jail for life.
“This shooting was very atypical”
Except for all the other public shootings between outlaw biker gangs, like these, for example:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3329769/posts?page=223#223
“In 1993 law enforcers instigated a gunfight in Mt. Carmel...”
Wrong. You can argue all you want about the tactics and culpability of LE in that incident, but one thing that is undeniable is that the Branch Davidians opened fire first, killing law enforcement on day 1.
And you belong to which political Party?
BS there is no released information to indicate that one way or the other.
Personally, I don’t think they’re trolls or anything. There has always been a contingent of conspiracy theorists on FR, from the very beginning. They used to worry about “black helicopters” and “FEMA camps”, and now this is just the latest theory.
Personally, I think they are gullible and not too logical, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t good conservatives in other respects.
One thing I do object to is they tend to accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with them of being “plants”, etc. That’s silly and not conducive to good dialogue.
No ballistics report yet, but the autopsies show there were definitely multiple shooters firing different caliber weapons.
The affidiavit doesn't allege perpetration of capital murder, murder, or aggravated assault on the part of any individual, so there is no probable cause, in the affidavit, for those offenses.
Plainly, the affidavit does not allege that Pilkington or Weathers committed one of the underlying offenses of capital murder, murder, or aggravated assault, one of the two means of committing the second main element. See TEX. PENAL CODE ANN. 71.02(a)(1) ("the person commits or conspires to commit one or more of the following"). Thus, we turn to each appellant's specific complaint that the affidavit does not allege an agreement; i.e., that he conspired to commit one of the underlying offenses ...
Who fired first on that day, the Branch Davidians or the ATF?
The question of who fired first is in dispute. ATF agents who participated in the raid have testified in court and at a congressional hearing that the Branch Davidians fired the first shots. Right after the raid, however, one ATF agent told an investigator that a fellow agent may have shot first, when he killed a dog outside the compound. The agent later retracted the statement, saying that the Branch Davidians had initiated the gunfire. Surviving Branch Davidians have maintained that they did not shoot their guns until they were fired upon by federal authorities.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten.html#fired
There is plenty of disagreement about who started the shooting. The ATF agent that said that another agent shot a dog was “wrong”? ya right, LEO’s shooting a dog never happens.
“This analogy would work if the “Mafia” that got shot up was a bunch of Italian-American men and women with zero/zip/nada criminal histories or records....”
Hey, there is no such things as “La Cosa Nostra”. They’re just legitimate Italian-American businessmen, am I right?
Well, it's a moot point now isn't it? The State got what it wanted, which was to prove that relentless, remorseless and murderous brutality is behind each act of the Leviathan. Plus, good for a couple of promotions. | ![]() |
“Cossacks corner Bandido on highway, beat him up with chains and wrenches and take his patch.”
Yeah, classic outlaw biker move. ONLY they do stuff like that, so there is no doubt at all that the Cossacks were criminals.
The Bandidos intended to travel into enemy (Cossack) territory. That’s why they moved the meeting to Waco for the first time ever, and ordered their soldiers from around the state to show up.
They were pissing on the other dogs’ territory.
There have been allegations (unconfirmed) that one of the Cossacks’ prospects was an undercover cop.
If so, then that would explain how the cops knew who was who.
By the logic of the Texas Tenth Court of Appeals, paying extortion to criminals creates probable cause that you have joined a criminal conspiracy.
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