Posted on 09/07/2015 2:37:39 PM PDT by Elderberry
This is the 114th day of the Twin Peaks Massacre coverup. It is worth noting for two lamentable reasons.
First, the degree to which government officials have been uncooperative, obstructive and evasive about the Massacre is prima facie evidence that there is an official coverup. There was no probable cause to believe that most of the 177, or 182, or so, people arrested that day were guilty of “engaging in organized criminal activity.” There is probable cause to believe that police murdered at least six men and may have attempted to murder 20 more.
The second reason to note the ongoing coverup is the apparent disappearance of what just a few years ago was being called “the investigative impulse” in American journalism. The investigative impulse began, according to Jon Marshall of Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism, “in the 1600s, when Enlightenment philosophers taught that ‘people have a right to question their leaders.’”
To its inerasable shame, the Waco Tribune-Herald has not noticed the coverup. To its credit, the Houston Chronicle has. “Any time a prosecutor’s office or a politician does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag and insist we talk about it,” a law professor named Patrick Metze told the Chronicle this morning. “They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they don’t want us to see or know about.” You can read the entire Chronicle piece here.
Based on information supplied by various sources who believe their lives, careers and pensions are in actual danger and who have spoken with The Aging Rebel under conditions of either “off the record” or “deep background,” this page will continue to report that the Twin Peaks Massacre was the result of a contrived and avoidable confrontation between members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. The Aging Rebel believes that the confrontation was engineered by and anticipated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Texas Department of Public Safety and a Waco area law enforcement agency that was not the Waco Police Department. The Aging Rebel also believes that these police agencies, and possibly the Waco Police Department, began physically preparing for an armed confrontation to include the use of deadly force in the Twin Peaks restaurant parking lot at or before dawn on May 17. And finally, this page believes the Massacre was captured in its entirety by at least 44 video cameras. Investigating This Mess
The Associated Press defines information gained “off the record” as information that “cannot be used for publication.” The same news agency and most publications define “deep background” as information that “can be used but without attribution. The source does not want to be identified in any way, even on condition of anonymity.” Generally, information gained off the record can only be used after being substantiated by additional independent sources. Off the record information tells reporters where to llok and what to look for.
Off the record information about federal police actions is often substantiated by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with, for example, the Disclosure Division of the ATF. The information requests involving bikers are almost routinely denied on the grounds of either what the FOIA Act calls “Exemption Seven” or one of three “Exclusions.”
The exempt information is defined as, “Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes.” The three exclusions are: One, “Subject of a criminal investigation or proceeding is unaware of the existence of records concerning the pending investigation or proceeding and disclosure of such records would interfere with the investigation or proceeding;” two, “Informant records maintained by a criminal law enforcement agency and the individual’s status as an informant is not known; and three, “Existence of FBI foreign intelligence, counterintelligence or international terrorism records are classified fact.”
Exclusion three is one reason why motorcycle clubs are frequently described as “transnational gangs.”
Taken together, the exemption and exclusions explain why “gang investigations” are always classified as “ongoing” even when the newest information in those investigations is more than a decade old.
After a FOIA request is denied, large news gathering organizations and some private law firms have the means to bring suit in federal court to discover exempt and excluded information. The Aging Rebel does not have the resources to pursue such lawsuits at this time. This page is aware that many of its conclusions about what happened in Waco on May 17 are unsubstantiated sand have been described as “speculative.” As one 23-year-old reporter recently put it, “A blog favorable to motorcycle clubs citing an undisclosed source…is not credible.”
Credible or not, the authorities in Texas have been blatantly manipulating public opinion since the day of the Massacre and the Department of Justice has, as yet, not chosen to intervene. One plausible explanation for that inaction is that the Department of Justice has been involved since sometime before May 1.
The Aging Rebel stands by its coverage of the Waco Twin Peaks Massacre and will continue to pursue the story.
Here's the deal, pal. A LOT of us here "know them personally." It's how a LOT of us here know you're full of crap with your "criminal biker gang" sloganeering and propagandizing.
It's how a LOT of us here and all across America, know that the cops arrested mostly a bunch of Sunday mom-and-pop bikers and threw them in jail because those cops were dunderheaded slug-brained morons abusing their power.
Go ahead and believe your own press releases. The fact remains that a LOT of us here recognize horse puckey when we see it because like you, we DO know bikers, including the 1%ers around whom you have crafted such a dramatic mystique of violent abusive criminality based on ... lore, myth, legend, TV, self-glorifying cops talking to the press, etc.
Rebels and outlaws are in MANY walks of life; motorcyclists make up only one small portion of them in America. See, a LOT of us here "do know them personally" and it is why we also know you are puffed up with your own theatrics.
Interesting that Teesdale ducks the question of whether he is a 1%.
If he is then we know where he stands.
If he says he is not, then he has flushed his own credibility down the toilet.
“Where bail is not excessive, yes.”
Well, that’s why we have bond hearings, to determine that. It’s a pretty good system we have in America, I think.
“The only legitimate purpose of bail is to secure return of the defendant for hearing or trial.”
Gee, there’s no chance that gang members who are affiliated with a Mexican drug cartel and live on a border state might try to flee, is there?
Pure speculation...ON BOTH SIDES....
I don’t think anyone here thinks they have “proof”. Except you.
Where are the videos again?
What’s your point?
Good post Finny.
“All the same, there was that allegation made.”
Yes, it has. It is expensive to put a man undercover. Right now I think that the Waco police had working relationships on various levels with various Cossack members.
Whether they rose to the level of a paid CI I wouldn’t know.
“Rebels and outlaws are in MANY walks of life; motorcyclists make up only one small portion of them in America. See, a LOT of us here “do know them personally” and it is why we also know you are puffed up with your own theatrics. “
Did you know any of the 258 Bandidos arrested in Operation Hog Trap?
“What’s your point?”
LOL!
“I don’t claim to have more knowledge than others, rather that those who are posting nonsense here are full of statist crap.”
LOL. If you don’t have personal knowledge then you cannot say it is ‘crap’.
“Here’s the deal, pal. A LOT of us here “know them personally.””
If you really knew them, then you would know they are criminals. So, either you don’t know them very well, are BS’ing about your knowledge, or are just covering for them. I don’t see any other possibilities.
“Really? Try shooting a police dog.”
Yes, police dogs are a special circumstance because they are considered law enforcement officers.
The Branch Davidians didn’t have any police dogs, though, so this point is irrelevant.
He no doubt calls himself "conservative," but he is in truth, very obviously, an AUTHORITARIAN.
His bent has been and will always be toward Socialism and Communism ala "right wing" brand of "conserving order" via brute government force. That is probably how he rationalizes claiming the title "conservative."
People with mindsets like Boogieman are potent domestic enemies. We have malevolent enemies of freedom operating semi-openly on FR, and as Jim Robinson is pretty wise, maybe that's a good thing because truth sets you free -- anyone with common sense sees a truth demonstrated regularly that Boogieman is a malevolent aberration of "conservative."
It reminds us to remember always that there are malevolent forces masquerading as friends, always, among freedom-loving rights-respecting Americans.
“The only legitimate purpose of bail is to secure return of the defendant for hearing or trial. “
Perhaps you should do some research.
Start with terms like:
bail
bond
money bail
conditions of bail
Perhaps you should read the Constitution.
You said in post 330 that:
"Those who talk the loudest about "criminal biker gangs" know the least about how a motorcycle club actually functions, let alone a 1%er club."
Unless YOU have special knowledge about how 1% clubs function, then you have no basis to make this claim. So which is it? Do you have personal knowledge of these clubs, or are you just making unsupportable claims against other FReepers?
“I don’t think anyone here thinks they have “proof”. Except you.”
We have documented statements by bikers that the bikers started the shooting.
We have the recorded scans of the police at the shooting.
We have Seven of the nine recovered bullets from the dead listed as medium to large caliber.
NOTHING conflicts with the scenario that this was a biker shoot-out.
EVERYTHING conflicts with the conspiracy theories.
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