Posted on 09/07/2015 2:18:27 PM PDT by z taxman
A few days ago when asked about the couragous stand of Kim Davis, Trump essentially came out in support of gay marriage. "Its the law of the land," he said. “I hate to see her being put in jail." Well, isn't that swell Trumpy, but he added “I understand what they’re doing. It would be certainly nice if she didn’t do it." Lets get this straight, while bold leaders like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee are coming out in support of Kim Davis and her religious stand of conscious, Trump is busy kowtowing to the gay mafia, turning an erroneous Supreme Court interpretation into the "law of the land". Of course this was brought to light immediately on FR. However, while there was some grumblings, most of those onboard the Trump train either glossed over the facts, became defensive and the usual (lack of) intelligent discussion took place.
When questioned about Obamacare at the first GOP debate August 6, Trump rambled and perpexingly came out in support of the single payer program they have in Canada and Scotland: "As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland." Yes Donald, single payer is working so well in Canada that they basically bustling over the border just to get the treatment they need here. Sure, Trump went on to check all the anti-Obamacare boxes in his response, yet it is the muddled up way he did so that ought to cause consternation. One has to wonder if it wasn't Obama himself who put the healthcare changes that are destroying the country forward, if it wouldn't be Trump himself who would do it. You see Donald, when offering a conservative critique of Obamacare, you don't start by praising the healthcare systems of Canada and Scotland. If he sought to make a conservative statement on the issue, he sounded more 'severely conservative' than anything else.
Now the big issue that propelled Trump (so far) is illegal immigration. To be sure, illegal immigration has been a giant problem for decades and kudos ought to be given to the man for bringing the discussion to the forefront of this presidential election. That said, his recent history on this topic is just as muddled as the other issues I have mentioned. Now, when bringing up Trump's liberal past, many Trumpians are quick to say 'that was years ago! The man has changed.' OK, sure I'll bite. However only three years ago, Trump hammered Romney for being to harsh on illegal immigrants, referring to Romney's stance on self-deportation for the illegals:
“He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump told the conservative website NewsMax. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote. He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.” Trump went on to say, "The Democrats didn’t have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants, but what they did have going for them is they weren’t mean-spirited about it,” Trump added. “They didn’t know what the policy was, but what they were is they were kind.” Does this sound like the rhetoric of a conservative on illegal immigration? Mind you, no, this was not 10 years ago, this was as recent as the last election, when he had already had his Damascus moment and turned toward conservatism, supposedly.
Recently Trump has come on the populist side of things in regard to taxes, even Paul Krugman has come out in support of Trumps tax ideas... yes that Paul Krugman. In a Times op-ed, Krugman wrote that Trump is correct to embrace a tax hike on the rich and speak out in favor of universal healthcare. He added that conservatives — who are now slamming Trump’s proposals — were wrong to warn about the ill economic impacts of those policies ahead of the 2012 election. Keep in mind that Trump did once also propose the largest tax hike in U.S. history. Now Trump's tax hike idea isn't based on the wealthy carte blanche, but the small group of hedge fund managers who use a loophole to pay a lower tax rate on investment gains instead of income. However, his rhetoric is still jarring, "You've seen my statements. I do very well. I don't mind paying a little more in taxes. The middle class is getting clobbered in this country," he said. The statement boils down basically, tax the rich, they can afford it. Very liberal sounding. A better idea would be to lower the income tax tax to mirror the rate of investment gains. Or here's a novel idea, a flat tax!
All these recent examples of Trump's murky brand of conservtism ought to put anyone who is truly on the right on edge. Delving further back into Trump's past raises even more questions: support for automatic gun ban, support for the bank bailouts, support for the auto industry bailouts, support for abortion (hell, even this year he came out supporting Planned Parenthood saying that abortion constitutes hardly a fraction of what they do), support for Hillary (calling her very capable in 2007, and donating hundreds of thousands to her controversy ridden charity), Barack Obama ("What he has done is amazing," "He's a champion") and the Democratic Party.
So the question for conservatives is when is enough enough? Will we sell out and cave in on our values just because we want to see a wall built? If that's the case, the true price of the wall cant be quantified in dollars and cents, but in the corruption of our conservative principles.
Would you care to tell us who YOU are voting for?
“then I wouldn’t be surprised if he changes his tune concerning Ms Davis.”
Ms. Davis is sitting in jail by her own choice. The battle over gay marriage(?) is not going to be won or lost because of her valid religious issues. She is certainly within her rights to refuse to support marring queers, but she needs to accept the consequences and resign her office.
On what do you base that statement? (Not a rhetorical or snarky question on my part.)
Have you or anyone else logically and factually refuted what he posts? If not, why not?
If he's really spamming the forum, why are so many responding to his threads calling him a "troll" and other things? You're only bringing attention to him as a result.
Seems to me if it's true the original poster is a troll, y'all are certainly enabling him by giving him attention.
Are you logged in?
I am not a gay advocate at all ,,, I strongly believe in DOMA ,,, I do not support the harsh actions of the judge ,, however if Kim wants to protest gay marriage she’s going about it in the wrong employment forum and now has become a pawn to the liberals . I would refuse to work for anyone who would impose on my religious beliefs ,,,,, and that includes this administration ,,,, FYI .
No snark taken, thank for writing that though.
A quick perusal of his posting history will tell the story.
How much is Tokyo Rove paying you? And no. You have not convinced me Trump is not conservative. And God willing Donald Trump will steam roll over Hillary in November 2016. And you know what? Even you will rejoice/////
So until then, kindly bugger off!
Combine that with the date of signup, and it looks like a troll.
So the question for conservatives is when is enough enough?
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I suppose this is the question of the hour, but if you are comfortable with the Washington Cartel retaining power and destroying America, go ahead and cast your lot with any of the other candidates. It should be clear by now that the Republican Party plan is to roll the next election to the liberals who will win again and and Cartel will continue to bleed the country dry. This is the cold hard reality of the situation so choose carefully. Trump, who doesn’t meet the true Conservative litmus test, is a winner. Look at the polls. He clearly is head and shoulders above Bush or any of the liberals who will be anointed otherwise.
Stopped reading right there. Maybe you were trying to spell "courageous"?
“Trumpy”?
[chuckle...]
For a n00b, you sure are putting an enormous amount of effort into tearing down the leading Republican candidate. The one and only candidate who’s threatening to tear the Uniparty apart, and give America back to its rightful owners - the citizens.
You haz a smell. Iz a weerd smell.
How so?
They changed the rules by fiat as far as what she took an oath to defend and uphold.
What law has been changed? Its KY law that marriage is between a man and a woman, so now there is no law because SCOTUS struck it down as unconstitutional. Now she has no authority to issue a license because no marriage law in KY exists.
When the KY legislature comes back with a new law, and if it is not in accordance with her belief, then yes she will have to consider if she will resign, or not.
Do you realize how dangerous this is, have you considered that all peoples of Christian faith can be foisted out of Government positions, Military included?
I think he's also a retread. From day one, he's operated like an old hand around here. Right down to snickering at you on freepmail.
Which of the GOP-e candidates are you solidly behind? Let me guess...Bush
Yeah, likely retread, I agree.
He sent you a FR mail about me?
He didn't send me one....I feel so lonely....
I think the confusion for them is that they dont understand that Trump is approaching governing like a CEO approaches business.
CEOs routinely look for the best choice on a course of action to take out of the options provided. So for many on the right, it seems like Trump isnt “committed” to conservatism when in fact he is looking to be presented with the best argument and solutions to tackle an issue.
He does in fact change his mind, and isnt ashamed of it. Which inside of the full left/right political spectrum where many of us are very much set in how we would deal with a variety of issues, it seems very strange. Almost suspicious.
However, Trump has a good foundation on many key issues that makes conservatives comfortable with his style of populism because he is drawing the best solutions from the right and also selling it to disaffected Democrats, moderates, and even to minority groups, not as Mr. ideology, but as a guy that has run things in the real world extremely well and therefore can be trusted when he runs on much of the same platform. Not to mention that both sides of the political divide openly attacks him, so that tells lots of independents that he must be a guy they can support.
Matter of fact Z-mans fisrt post was in March and was-—
“I’m all for Cruz but this was a bad decision...”
So seems to me he is a pissed off Cruz man. Pissed off that The Donald has rendered Cruz irrelevant. I like Cruz but he has no campaign war chest and never will. IOW he is a vanity candidate who you feel good supporting but who is going nowhere in this presidential race.
I didn’t run, but if I reply to every moan on here , all the replies will become a game of tag. I’d rather people dispel or argue the points I made rather than devolve into back and forth name calling and chiding.
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