I became less enthusiastic about Trump after his less than enthusiastic support for Kim Davis.
That one non-politician had a huge impact on gay marriage being legalized through his pageant.
How come Trump supporters said they loved how Trump, “STOOD UP,” to the media, and they didn’t care how much criticism it got. Now they are saying conservatives and Christians should role over and play dead for liberal mainstream, and they are saying it’s okay that Trump plays Mr. P.C. to the media.
Trump said clearly she shouldn't have been jailed, yet we have people here saying that he wants her in jail... WTF.
I heard one say that he doesn't understand the constitution, when the constitution is clear on the SC role.
All of us HATE the ruling, but Trump is just pointing out the obvious.
I'll tell everyone here one simple truth. If Trump gets harpooned, there is no doubt single digit candidates under him will succumb to Bush's millions in short order...which is what some of the trolls here want.
This place is filthy with paid Bushoids who wont' stand up and be counted.
This issue is becoming a firestorm and it should. Christians have a long history of being persecuted. Christians watched what happen to the Jews in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. Christians are watching what is happening to other Christians in the Middle East and Africa. If you think Christians are going to meekly allow themselves to be persecuted here by Marxist and homosexuals you are badly mistaken. And your candidate is very much on the wrong side of this issue.
If Trump continues to side with a rouge court enabling persecution of Christians he is toast.
Why would Congress need to pass a new law?
Kentucky already did that. And Kim Davis is obeying that law.
Not even one USSC Justice who decreed that homosexuals be allowed to marry and the states FORCED to abide was elected by we the people. Not a one of them. They do not have that authority. Lawyers can yack all they want but the USSC does not have Legislative powers.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Why wait on politicians? Especially why wait on judges who abuse their Constitutionally Limited authority? It's OUR nation. Just because they meaning in this case the USSC tries to pass a law which BTW the USSC CAN NOT DO in a case like this does not mean we are morally bound to it. Nor should we be bound legally to it.
If people start supporting officials who are rightfully disobeying this abomination upon our nation maybe we might get our nation back as well as GOD's Blessing we once had.
Our leaders must fear our wrath preferably at the ballot box but Jefferson penned another means as well. It will likely take an outright revolt a mass refusal to bring a halt to it. Not a pretty please your honor in the so called court rooms. Not a wait till the next dozen elections either.
Justice and The Constitution as well as The Whole Truth were tossed out of the court rooms decades ago.
Thanks for the comments folks.
I tried to respond to each of you, but I was getting tired at the end. Didn’t mean to short-change anyone.
Thank-you, Doughty One....
Good article, as it sent thing racing off in my mind; notably, all my political activism in the past.
Short answer: The problem isn’t the politicians, its the people (see tagline).
Watching the Kim Davis saga play out, I called an old friend from back in the day while I was at work. I told her for some reason, this case made me think of her.
Ironically, she couldn’t talk long either as she was on the way to work too. I knew she thought of me too, as we both knew that back in the day, we would have already been there in KY with an army of people - ready to get thrown in jail right next to Ms Davis if necessary.
You see, she was THAT kind of Christian woman, and that’s what we loved about her.
But these days, we have to make a living to pay the bills and the debts from our political activism of the past. Yes, we’re still paying for them.
I saw all the bickering back and forth on this thread and it reminded me of the failures of that ‘movement’ I was part of back then. Everyone went back and forth pointing fingers, or putting faith in one person only blame that same person when they couldn’t accomplish a goal that would have taken thousands to accomplish.
Here’s what I’m going to tell everyone from my own experience: No politician is going to save us, America. And looking to Washington is a recipe for disaster. The Tea Party did a yeoman’s job changing the personnel in Congress, only to be betrayed later. Believe me from an old-timer, we’ve seen this before. Your political change must start as local as possible - not from the top. Start with your family. Your church (been there lately?). Or the most basic: Look in the mirror.
What’s missing from the Kim Davis fight and all the other Kim Davis battles around the country is you, and not simply through crowdfunding. You need bodies on the ground; people on the phones (and not simply updating their facebook). Today, I see millions angry, frustrated and close to giving up hope. What I don’t see is the local networking that got folks elected in 2010 and 2014. Back then, you worked within the law. But as you can see, the powers-that-be are seeing to it that you won’t be able to work ‘within-the-law’, and you (we) will eventually become lawbreakers - just for being who we are.
At which point, don’t count on the politician you are rooting for right now to be there to stand with you, for they may only do so for a season, Like the enemy is doing today, your must put aside your difference and hang together, or as it has been said and I have witnessed, you will most assuredly hang separately.
just my $0.02
jimjohn - OUT
Marriage licensing. $tate sponsored? $ubmit and/or become incarcerated, indebted by the state or spouse.
/sarc
Socialism Is Legal Plunder - Bastiat
What’s in your wallet?
/sarc
“He said he wished the clerk hadn’t been arrested, but the law says she has to issue the licenses to same sex couples.
Folks, he’s right!”
Your analysis is incorrect. The USSC has ruled numerous times that state elected officials cannot be drafted to carry out federal dictates. It’s against the law because elected state officials are sovereign. This clerk cannot be forced to marry homosexuals. If the federal government wants gay marriage, it must provide the federal personnel to carry out the dictate.
This is explained in the USSC ruling in Printz v US.
This is not the first time that lower courts have defied USSC rulings and it won’t be the last.
My main interest and guarded support of Trump has actually not been one about issues (with the exception of the imperative need for a wall and such), as much as his ability to break up this decades-long stranglehold of PC that has so cowed the culture and greased the skids for unending leftist depravity. I want what Trump is doing to grow and flourish among others, and it could be a true turning-point away from an America that has become such a pathetic, spineless nation of pajama-boys.
Accustomed to Trump’s brilliant effectiveness in his brash, un-PC style, it really stood out (and not in a good way) at how flat, safe and unimpressive his comments towards the Kim Davis situation was. Rather deflating, and tended to undercut the primary reason I like Trump. He didn’t have to endorse “lawlessness” (in his eyes), but I thought he could at least offer some edgy digs at the situation which would again give the cultural elites the vapors, like he so often does. Because this is a really, really shocking and egregious development. A key moment in our dying nation. If Trump is so passionless on this issue, I’ll be inclined to be more passionless towards him.
“What this politician said was that he was sorry this woman was arrested, but she has to follow the law. Yes folks, she does. We are a nation of laws.”
Indeed we are a nation of laws, 5 SETS OF LAWS to be exact and in this order of authority:
1. God’s Law
2. Law of Nature
3. Law of Nations
4. Declaration of Independence
5. U.S. Constitution
Even if doesn’t agree with #1, one can’t deny #2 or #3. Where does the Supreme Court ruling fit in this list? The morality and ethics of matrimony are found in the first 4. SCOTUS’ “law” certainly CAN’T be found in the 5th either. And it certainly CAN’T be found in the halls of any court because it has no authority over it!!! The states can’t grant the authority of matrimony because they have no authority over it either!!! But, as with any racket, our governments wanted a piece of the pie and so here we are.
What we are witnessing here is what’s called FORCED participation. There’s a huge distinction between allowing a behavior and forcing others to participate in it. If the government can force a clerk to participate, a baker to participate, even a pastor to participate, it certainly can force anyone else to participate. This is the second time we’ve seen this in the past 5 years. The first is obviously CommieCare™. Just like our framing fathers did, it is our civic duty to rebel against laws in direct conflict with God’s Law, Natural Law, and the Law of Nations.
Trump is wrong. DEAD WRONG. Anyone who spouts off this nonsense of “we are a nation of laws” when those laws violate so many other common sense laws is a fool, a jester. Anyone who doesn’t do everything in their power to stop it in its tracks are also wrong (like Congress and the states as you put it).
Plenty of “lawful nations” have violated this list, including Germany, Russia, China, Cambodia, and a whole slew of others. It starts off with propaganda. Then a little arm-twisting. Before you know it you see mass burial grounds full of millions of innocent people accused of violating some kind of “law” these governments created to empower themselves.
Which side are you on?
Trump's answer exposed quite a lot about who he really is. He is toast.
> The states would have to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples
This is legislating. Kennedy, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan all need to be impeached.
Thank you. Everyone seems to ignore the actual ruling. The Supreme Court didn’t “make” law, they ruled that the 14th Amendment of equal protection extended to cover gay marriage. (Discrimination)
Trump is right, this is now a law of the land.
Cruz (and others) are wrong and Cruz should know this. As a constitutional scholar, he must understand the ruling and I think he is pandering for votes with his stand.
I am not a constitutional scholar by any means. Age and strokes have caused me to lose a lot of what I learned in Civics many years ago. I would think though that this should have been expected, that gays would fight based on discrimination, and win.
Isn’t the way to fix this is to bring another case to the court that would reverse this? Since this Amendment has ended discrimination against black, women and handicapped, I don’t see that happening easily.