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For those who didn't know, John Birch Society is more anti-Israel than ever (vanity)
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Posted on 09/03/2015 6:55:45 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

Some people are of the unfortunate opinion that the John Birch Society is militantly patriotic and a supporter of this nation's military. That is not the case, especially not now.

The JBS always was a front group for the European right wing and our own domestic Jew-haters. It was the "blue lodge" for recruiting decent conservatives and, by exposing them a little bit at a time to the classic anti-Jewish line, to eventually recruit them into the anti-Semitic movement proper. But at least when I was a member some thirty years ago the Society's publications didn't openly take potshots at Israel. Now it is absolutely open and brazen in its position.

I am referring to this article that, in order to adopt an anti- position on the Iran treaty, feels it must make clear that the slightest concern for Israel had absolutely no bearing on its decision. I ask you to particularly notice the following words:

There are a few problems with this paleo-lib critique, however, not the least of which is that the “Israel lobby” is spread across both sides of this issue. Yes, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, most notably, has been vociferously attacking the deal, as have his (mostly GOP) allies in the U.S. Congress, led by inveterate neocon, Israel-first warmongers in the Senate, such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Tom Cotton. The Zionist Organization of America, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and William Kristol’s Emergency Committee for Israel have also weighed in in opposition. [Emphasis added]

If that isn't enough, I urge you to look at the comments appended to the article by raving anti-Semites who at one time would have been subscribing to the publications of Willis Carto or Ned Touchstone (yimach shemam vezikhram!). Even the avowed homosexual Justin Raimondo (at one time a member of this forum) is invoked as a "palaeoconservative" hero (and leaves a comment). This despite the JBS's alleged anti-homosexual position.

This is the same JBS that was all for joining in alliance with Rhodesia, South Africa, Spain, Portugal, and even Nationalist China at one time. Only Israel is singled out as an exception to this alleged "anti-Communist" policy. This is because like its hero Charles Lindbergh the Birch Society is racialist--it promotes what it regards as what is best for "White Northwestern European Man" rather than any objective and universal philosophy (and please note that Nationalist China somehow made the cut but Israel never has). The Society and its fronts and satellites plainly subscribe to some dogma of "chosenness" for people of Northwestern European descent.

Believe it or not, this organization actually has Jews who support Israel as members. These people should take another look at their membership and pull out. And Fundamentalist chrstians who are being tempted into the Birch orbit (such as its front the so-called "Constitution Party") should run in the opposite direction as fast as they can.

I have long been ashamed that I was ever a member of this filth. And now I find it actually worse than it ever was before.

These people are evil.


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To: Fiji Hill
If the JBS is a front group for the Judeophobic European right, I don't believe it started out that way. The JBS seems to have been founder Robert Welch's own idea and I see no evidence that he was part of any anti-Semitic movement.

See below.

In The Blue Book of the John Birch Society (1959) which is essentially a transcript of the two-day presentation that he gave in which he set up the organization, Welch urges Christians to be better Christians, Jews to be better Jews and Moslems to be better Moslems. During the years I was a member, I collected Birch publications and never read anything Judeophobic in any of them. Judeophobes were quickly purged, as was a prominent writer for their house organ American Opinion after he made an anti-Jewish speech in 1966.

The writer you mention was Revilo P. Oliver who was one of the eleven men who with Welch founded the Society on December 9, 1958. Yes, he was expelled, but you're missing the point . . . he took some people with him. Through him the JBS exposed people who had never had an anti-Semitic thought in their heads to the "Jewish international bankers run Communism" theory. Willis Carto was also a member at one time, as were many out-and-out neo-nazi leaders. Ben Klaassen, who hated G-d and the Bible with a passion and who railed against it as "alien" to the white race, started out in the Society and was kicked out. But all these people took others with them.

However, it seems that Judeophobes infiltrated the organization, but I wouldn't know how deep they penetrated. Several of their American Opinion bookstores carried books by the British fascist Nesta Webster. One chapter chairman in Europe that I knew was a fan of hers and defended her when I complained about the rabid Judeophobia that she expressed in her book Secret Societies and Subversive Movements (London: Boswell, 1924).

Perhaps you are unaware that Welch himself approved the printing of Nesta Webster's evil poison and characterized them as "splendid sources." Furthermore, the issues sold by Western Islands ("western" as in "European Man") were actually illegal pirate editions because the people who held the legal copyright at the time were out-and-out Nazis. So they sold illegal copies of anti-Semitic works without letting them actually carry the publishing mark of the people who actually owned them! What do you think of Robert Welch now?

However, in 1968, the JBS publishing house Western Islands published The Suicide of Europe by Michael Sturdza, a prominent Romanian fascist, which tells the story of World War II from a fascist point of view. Some of the statements in this book are eye-opening, such as when he takes at face value the Nazi description of the killing of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by the Jewish refugee Herschel Grynszpan, which touched off the Reichskristallnacht pogrom in 1938.

That wasn't the only book of his they carried. Another was Betrayal by Rulers (he also wrote Teddy Bare under the pseudonym "Zad Rust"). One of these books begins with a blatantly anti-Israel chapter on the battlefields of "palestine" and the Rockefellers. The Sturdza stuff angered me more than anything else. And Welch was in total control back then.

However, what eventually turned me off to the JBS were the silly "master conspiracy" theories that it was promoting and still does, and I left after five years.

The conspiracy theory of history ultimately originates from the chrstian notion of an good G-d of Heaven and His war against an alleged evil "'gxd' of this world" (though I'm sure chrstianity did not originate this concept). Some Jews believe in this "master conspiracy" and belief in it is far less offensive than the promoting the evil works of Webster and Sturdza.

Anyway, thank you for sharing you experience in the Birch Society. I left after four years myself.

41 posted on 09/03/2015 9:13:45 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: House Atreides
Do you have some links to something that substantiates your first statement above?

Go to Lew Rockwell dot come (I'm not going to link to it).

42 posted on 09/03/2015 9:16:15 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: editor-surveyor
The JBS is heavily infiltrated with mormons.

It had a huge mormon membership at one point, but there was a big blow-up about mormon control some years back and there was some sort of palace coup. But anyway, mormons are traditionally pro-Israel. In fact, Ezra Taft Benson was pro-Israel and a personal friend of Ben Gurion.

The anti-Semitism of the Birch Society comes primarily from sedevacantist/Feeneyite Catholics and Rushdoonyan "reconstructionist" Protestants.

43 posted on 09/03/2015 9:19:31 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Founded by Robert Welch, whom I once “proved” to be a dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy.


44 posted on 09/03/2015 9:31:01 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The JBS ain’t what it started out to be


45 posted on 09/03/2015 9:44:28 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Fiji Hill
Moslems to be better Moslems

They were very successful. Now moslems are killing everyone in the world.
46 posted on 09/03/2015 9:49:20 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: ballearthout
I always laugh when I hear someone say the Jews run the world. I always retort with,”I guess that’s why they’ve had their tit in a wringer for the last 60 years over in Israel.” That usually shuts them up. Are there Jews involved in nefarious enterprises? Sure. But to think that they are the monster hiding behind every shadow is ridiculous.

I get a laugh out of that too. I'm 1/8th Jew myself and I always joke, "if the Jews had this much power, where is my company car, key to the executive washroom and membership jacket?" B-)

I do believe there is a New World Order consensus but it is made up of rich and powerful people of diverse backgrounds who only worship one thing, power. The Jews are a huge part of our Judeo/Christian/Western Civilization and they need and deserve our support. It is a shame that here in America, many of them vote Democrat even though FDR did sell some of them down the river by not letting the refugees from the St. Louis come to America. BTW, I even ran into a Jewish man who is a very huge Trump supporter.
48 posted on 09/03/2015 9:58:12 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("I wish we were back in the world of Andy Williams." - My mother, 1938-2013, RIP)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
In other words, they're anti-Semitic nutcases who have a Utopian worldview that has nothing to do with reality.
49 posted on 09/04/2015 5:21:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"...it promotes what it regards as what is best for 'White Northwestern European Man'"

That's interesting in regards to an organization that has so many adherents of southern European and northeastern European descent.


50 posted on 09/04/2015 1:27:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"There's more to it than just theology. They actually seem to regard chrstianity as a religion created by and primarily applying to people of European descent. It's as if Europeans were either the 'new Israel' or the 'true Israel' (with actual Jews as evil counterfeits, G-d forbid)."

I sometimes call it New Rome (could be New Greece, New Persia, New Babylon or the like). It and it's heritage is all around us. That's part of what woke some of us up to be Noachides. Chrstianity is also very popular, though, in east Asia, Africa, South America and other southern places.


51 posted on 09/04/2015 1:46:29 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Thank you for the information about the John Birch Society, by the way. It’s such a crypto-Nazi outfit with such subtle gradualism, that many would be fooled by it. It’s also noticeable that Pat Buchanan’s similar effort continues to be published by some. They eventually expose themselves a little. Then, when exposed a little, they step back to start over again with false appearances of conservatism.


52 posted on 09/04/2015 1:55:54 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: pajama pundit
John Birch was a Christian Missionary in China prior to WWII, worked as an intel officer and spy/infiltrator for Chennault (Flying Tigers) in China during WWII, and was murdered by the communist Chinese right at the end of the war. He had NOTHING to do with the John Birch Society, except unfortunately they hijacked his name for the group.

Though Welch asked and received permission from John Birch's parents to use his name.

53 posted on 09/04/2015 2:23:17 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: familyop
"...it promotes what it regards as what is best for 'White Northwestern European Man'"

That's interesting in regards to an organization that has so many adherents of southern European and northeastern European descent.

They also supported Nationalist China. They just didn't support Israel. And now they're out-and-out hostile to it.

Come to think of it, Nationalist China was anti-Israel too. Shoot, Nationalist China and South Korea founded the World Anti-Communist League, which became so infested with European nazis that the American section withdrew from it.

54 posted on 09/04/2015 2:26:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: familyop; All
Thank you for the information about the John Birch Society, by the way. It’s such a crypto-Nazi outfit with such subtle gradualism, that many would be fooled by it. It’s also noticeable that Pat Buchanan’s similar effort continues to be published by some. They eventually expose themselves a little. Then, when exposed a little, they step back to start over again with false appearances of conservatism.

I'm highlighting your response because you get it 100%.

55 posted on 09/04/2015 2:28:30 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: familyop
There's more to it than just theology. They actually seem to regard chrstianity as a religion created by and primarily applying to people of European descent. It's as if Europeans were either the 'new Israel' or the 'true Israel' (with actual Jews as evil counterfeits, G-d forbid).

I sometimes call it New Rome (could be New Greece, New Persia, New Babylon or the like). It and it's heritage is all around us. That's part of what woke some of us up to be Noachides. Chrstianity is also very popular, though, in east Asia, Africa, South America and other southern places.

Chrstianity is inherently susceptible to this radical local inculturation because of the doctrine of the incarnation. G-d not only (chas vechalilah!) becomes a man, he becomes exactly the kind of man every believer is. And every believer's country is the "new Israel."

This is not limited to Europe. Armenia has an identitarian concept of its religion that is little different from Judaism's, and Ethiopia claims its imperial house was descended from Solomon and Sheba and that they have the Ark of the Covenant!

56 posted on 09/04/2015 2:32:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"Come to think of it, Nationalist China was anti-Israel too. Shoot, Nationalist China and South Korea founded the World Anti-Communist League, which became so infested with European nazis that the American section withdrew from it."

Thanks again. The way things appear to be going, that will be worth reading more about. More people of the nations, including many of our fellow Americans (and much of northwestern Europe), appear to be moving more toward being outspokenly anti-Israel.

Some descendants of some ancient nations will have more of a propensity to attack Israel, but their ancestors have long since migrated to nations all over the world and blended in. None of the people of this world are descended purely from one nation, so people are judged individually.


57 posted on 09/04/2015 2:49:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Your comments are fascinating.

Revilo Oliver (Revilo is Oliver spelled backwards) had aroused a lot of ire previously when he suggested in an article in American Opinion that JFK was assassinated because he was about to "turn American"--or in other words, turn against the international conspiracy.

The JBS continued its shenanigans after I left. They absolutely refused to support Ronald Reagan's candidacy for the presidency in 1976--one JB official even wrote me that my support for Ronaldus Magnus reflected how I was coming coming under the influenc of the student Left at the University of Southern California. Then in 1978, the JBS opposed Proposition 13, the tax limitation initiative that virtually all other conservatives supported with enthusiasm.

When Reagan finally became president, a friend of mine joined the JBS and organized a chapter in Ventura County, but he was fired by his section leader because he urged members of his chapter to read publications such as Defense Department documents about the Soviet threat. He was admonished that he should have been giving them readings on the Master Conspiracy.

Later, when Rush Limbaugh became popular, the New American began attacking him. They also spent a lot of ink trashing Newt Gingrich after he became Speaker of the House after the 1994 election. And in 2002, their leader John McManus published William F. Buckley, Jr.: Pied Piper of the Establishment, a slick character assassination of the conservative polemicist and icon.

By the way, I had always thought that the Western Islands, the name of their publishing house, came from the line in John Keats' poem "On First Looking Into Chapman's Homer" (1816):

Round many western islands have I been
Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.

58 posted on 09/04/2015 3:13:33 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I’m mostly reading the Prophets again, though, while being ashamed that I haven’t read much of the Oral. ...should do that more regularly. Don’t know why the attraction to extra reading of the Prophets, but it just is.

One thing that I’ve learned continuously more with reading. We shouldn’t be jealous at all of those who know that they received a promise from G-d to be gathered again. Such nonsense would only put us further away. Another bit of knowledge that grows with personal experiences: there are all kinds of people in every nation with no exceptions. We shouldn’t personally decide our attitude toward the best of nations by what only some people do during this time.


59 posted on 09/04/2015 3:15:45 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
McCain and gang wanted to surround Israel wihtthe Muslim Brotherhood. They are anything by Israel-firsters. However, I think Japser threw this in to protect them against claims that JBS was supporting Israel over America.
For the record, I was a member in 2000.
60 posted on 09/06/2015 6:59:49 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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