Posted on 09/03/2015 6:55:45 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
Some people are of the unfortunate opinion that the John Birch Society is militantly patriotic and a supporter of this nation's military. That is not the case, especially not now.
The JBS always was a front group for the European right wing and our own domestic Jew-haters. It was the "blue lodge" for recruiting decent conservatives and, by exposing them a little bit at a time to the classic anti-Jewish line, to eventually recruit them into the anti-Semitic movement proper. But at least when I was a member some thirty years ago the Society's publications didn't openly take potshots at Israel. Now it is absolutely open and brazen in its position.
I am referring to this article that, in order to adopt an anti- position on the Iran treaty, feels it must make clear that the slightest concern for Israel had absolutely no bearing on its decision. I ask you to particularly notice the following words:
There are a few problems with this paleo-lib critique, however, not the least of which is that the “Israel lobby” is spread across both sides of this issue. Yes, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, most notably, has been vociferously attacking the deal, as have his (mostly GOP) allies in the U.S. Congress, led by inveterate neocon, Israel-first warmongers in the Senate, such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Tom Cotton. The Zionist Organization of America, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and William Kristol’s Emergency Committee for Israel have also weighed in in opposition. [Emphasis added]
If that isn't enough, I urge you to look at the comments appended to the article by raving anti-Semites who at one time would have been subscribing to the publications of Willis Carto or Ned Touchstone (yimach shemam vezikhram!). Even the avowed homosexual Justin Raimondo (at one time a member of this forum) is invoked as a "palaeoconservative" hero (and leaves a comment). This despite the JBS's alleged anti-homosexual position.
This is the same JBS that was all for joining in alliance with Rhodesia, South Africa, Spain, Portugal, and even Nationalist China at one time. Only Israel is singled out as an exception to this alleged "anti-Communist" policy. This is because like its hero Charles Lindbergh the Birch Society is racialist--it promotes what it regards as what is best for "White Northwestern European Man" rather than any objective and universal philosophy (and please note that Nationalist China somehow made the cut but Israel never has). The Society and its fronts and satellites plainly subscribe to some dogma of "chosenness" for people of Northwestern European descent.
Believe it or not, this organization actually has Jews who support Israel as members. These people should take another look at their membership and pull out. And Fundamentalist chrstians who are being tempted into the Birch orbit (such as its front the so-called "Constitution Party") should run in the opposite direction as fast as they can.
I have long been ashamed that I was ever a member of this filth. And now I find it actually worse than it ever was before.
These people are evil.
As a former chrstian who is now a Noachide, it was never my intention to begin a discussion of chrstian theology on this thread. As I said, historical chrstianity has always taught replacement theology. That is a simple fact. If you want to claim that historical chrstianity is wrong, or is in fact a prophesied "great apostasy" that was to last until the radical (non-magisterial) Protestant Reformation, you will of course do so. But the point is simply this: there are good Biblicist chrstians who support Jews and Israel and who are also very conservative (naturally). The JBS wants to covertly lure these people into the anti-Semitic movement. Therefore they should beware of the Birchites and any and everyone in their sinister orbit.
Interesting. Cultural conservative Romanists in Spain feel this strongly. One Spanish Foreign legion ( or as it is now styled ‘the Spanish Legion’ since non-Spanish citizens can no longer join) “Spain is , was and will be the Holy Faith and the Holy Faith is Spain now and until the end of time.” Very interesting fellow, his attitude towards Islam was sort of Uncle Adolph's above the Jews. He had served two tours in Astan.
What about for those who don’t care about what a tiny number of people think?
I’m not denying it was taught. And of course I get your point especially about the JBS.
I guess some people need a “bogie man”.
“...the Ludwig von Mises Institute .. on the Hate Israel list, too....”
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Ludwig von Mises Institute hates Israel? WTF -— I have never seen anything like that on any writings I’ve seen from that Institute.
I’m sure that the Southern Poverty Law Center might say something like that but, then again, they’d likely claim that Ted Cruz is a Nazi.
Apologize for garbled text. That is what you get for using a ‘smart phone’ with its elf pad keyboard.
You probably never were a Christian. A religionist in a church, possibly. But not a Christian.
If the JBS is a front group for the Judeophobic European right, I don't believe it started out that way. The JBS seems to have been founder Robert Welch's own idea and I see no evidence that he was part of any anti-Semitic movement.
In The Blue Book of the John Birch Society (1959) which is essentially a transcript of the two-day presentation that he gave in which he set up the organization, Welch urges Christians to be better Christians, Jews to be better Jews and Moslems to be better Moslems. During the years I was a member, I collected Birch publications and never read anything Judeophobic in any of them. Judeophobes were quickly purged, as was a prominent writer for their house organ American Opinion after he made an anti-Jewish speech in 1966.
However, it seems that Judeophobes infiltrated the organization, but I wouldn't know how deep they penetrated. Several of their American Opinion bookstores carried books by the British fascist Nesta Webster. One chapter chairman in Europe that I knew was a fan of hers and defended her when I complained about the rabid Judeophobia that she expressed in her book Secret Societies and Subversive Movements (London: Boswell, 1924).
However, in 1968, the JBS publishing house Western Islands published The Suicide of Europe by Michael Sturdza, a prominent Romanian fascist, which tells the story of World War II from a fascist point of view. Some of the statements in this book are eye-opening, such as when he takes at face value the Nazi description of the killing of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by the Jewish refugee Herschel Grynszpan, which touched off the Reichskristallnacht pogrom in 1938.
However, what eventually turned me off to the JBS were the silly "master conspiracy" theories that it was promoting and still does, and I left after five years.
‘As the notorious Hilaire Belloc put it, “Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe!”’
Interesting. Cultural conservative Romanists in Spain feel this strongly. One Spanish Foreign legion ( or as it is now styled ‘the Spanish Legion’ since non-Spanish citizens can no longer join) “Spain is , was and will be the Holy Faith and the Holy Faith is Spain now and until the end of time.” Very interesting fellow, his attitude towards Islam was sort of Uncle Adolph's above the Jews. He had served two tours in Astan.
This is the whole point; this is the very heart of "palaeoconservatism"/European rightism: every land is the "holy land;" every people is the "chosen people"--every land and every people except one. And that's why they hate it so much. The Spanish "gxd" can co-exist with the "gxds" of all the other non-Jewish nations because they are man-created, subjective, and local. But they cannot co-exist with the Jewish G-d Who alone is real, objective, and universal. And this is why anti-Semitic "nationalists" hate Jewish nationalism above and beyond anything else in the world--it undermines all the false local "gxds" the other nations worship. The very existence of Jews causes "race-mixing" because the chosenness of the Jews somehow keeps the human race united. Without a special chosen Jewish nation, the human race would shatter into a billion bits, each bit with its own "equally valid" religion, philosophy, and "gxd."
The Birchites represent the European "gxd" who chose Europeans to come to the "holy land" of America and be revealed as the true "tribes of Israel." Their religion is not objective but subjective; not universal but local.
There is a word (actually two) for the belief that each nation has its own specific "gxd" it is to worship: henotheism (or monolotry). This is at the heart of European "conservatism" and some American "conservatism." The local "gxds" are "rooted" (a word anti-Semites dearly love). The Jewish G-d is "alien" and "iconoclastic" because He destroys false "gxds." Hence the constant identification of Judaism with G-dless but formerly universal and "scientific" Communism (the Left is now as nationalist and mystical as any right winger).
Our guide, our lodestone, is the One True G-d--over and above any national tradition or ancestors or folkways. Not that those things are bad, of course, but they must never change places with the Objectively True G-d.
This is not about a "tiny number of people." It's about the One True G-d.
You do realize, do you not, that apart from G-d there is no valid basis for any moral/ethical code whatsoever? Thank you for your consideration!
I’m sure that the Southern Poverty Law Center might say something like that but, then again, they’d likely claim that Ted Cruz is a Nazi.
The Ludwig von Mises Institute is indeed run by Israel-hating "palaeolibertarians." I'm sorry.
I'm sure the SPLC labels them as anti-Semitic. However, not everyone whom the left opposes is a good guy (the Nazis, for example). I hold no brief for the SPLC whatsoever and have and want nothing whatsoever to do with them, but Lew Rockwell and his people are indeed Israel-hating fanatics. And what makes you think the SPLC supports Israel?
And I've got news for you--the Rockwell people are not fans of Ted Cruz (whom I support for the presidency).
They are. He's their hero.
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Lew Rockwell is a total nut case.
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The Ludwig von Mises Institute is indeed run by Israel-hating “palaeolibertarians.” I’m sorry.
....And what makes you think the SPLC supports Israel?...”
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Do you have some links to something that substantiates your first statement above?
Jeez, exactly what makes YOU think that I believe the SPLC supports Israel?
The JBS will not endorse anyone or anything that supports Israel.
One of their members actually wrote a book called The Rapture Cult (which is available online) which speculates that Dispensationalism and the Scofield Reference Bible were plots of the "Insiders." I was once given this book to read by a JBS coordinator--a book that basically labeled traditional Fundamentalist Protestantism the creation of "the conspiracy."
And people still think that. I won't post a link, but Charles Carlson (a former JBS council member) has a web site called "We Hold These Truths" that exists for the sole purpose of attacking Israel and Fundamentalists (it has a section labeled "Pharisee watch"). Mr. Carlson was a big fan of the Moslem Brotherhood takeover of Egypt a few years ago, but he thought the Jews were still "controlling" Egypt through the Egyptian central bank.
Earlier this year we had a slimeball who called himself "Philip Freneau" whose entire purpose was to attack pro-Jewish Fundamentalism, to label it as a creation of "the same forces" who created the Federal Reserve, and to claim that the Jews of two thousand years ago were fanatical devotees of sexual sin.
He ain't here no more.
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The JBS is heavily infiltrated with mormons.
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