Posted on 08/15/2015 4:45:38 AM PDT by don-o
I saw what you posted. I read what you posted.
I have no problem with vision or comprehension.
Most of the Bikers arrested had NO criminal history.
Post all the copies of TX penal law you want, it doesn’t change the fact.
As for your “wannabe” comment, go pound sand.
I knew some of the same people you so quickly call criminals when you were still pooping green in your diapers.
You know nothing of my youth, or where and how I grew up.
I’m not going into this with anymore of you “police can do no wrong” sycophants.
I was pinged about your post and did NOT respond to you.
Please extend me the same courtesy.
” ‘I’m going to plead with you, do not cross us. Because if you do, the survivors will write about what we do here for 10,000 years.’”
Robert Teesdale said:
Quite true. By its nature, law is the use of force to circumscribe liberty. I simply would argue that a law which crosses the Constitutional line, is no law at all - and neither I nor others owe such legislation any obedience or even respect.
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I agree with this. However, you must carefully pick your battles and strategies with the intent of being as successful as possible. The question here seems to be whether or not the police acted in a constitutional manner, or did they use excessive force. And, any local or state law has to pass constitutional muster, and if the state laws I cited earlier don’t make the cut, then so be it - they need to change. But, so far they have passed the muster, and they have been VERY useful tools in securing public safety. But, since we are a society of laws, there are procedures to follow in order to secure change if change is needed. And, laws can be changed - even by just one person. I’ve been fortunate enough to do this. So, I know that if I can do it, larger and more vocal groups with more resources than I possess can also do it.
In addressing the incident at hand, I’ve yet to see anyone arguing from the perspective of the innocent bystanders that were present, and the danger they were exposed to by two biker groups engaged in an armed parking lot war. This much I know:
(1) Although there were bikers shot by police, there was also gunfire by bikers. There are too many witness statements and affidavits on file to deny this. My worthless opinion on this is when and if these cases ever get before a judge, (I suspect most of them will plead out) this will be something that the defense will not contest. They will likely argue that it wasn’t their client who fired, but other bikers.
(2) I’ve heard more than one person argue that there was no danger to bystanders since it was in an open area, with no exposed innocent bystanders close by. Really? My wife is a CHL instructor. When we built the pistol range on our ranch for this, I went to great effort to determine just how far and with what velocity certain popular handgun cartridges would perform, just in case someone put a round over the dirt berm. I can tell you right now that a hardball round out of my Glock 23 in .40 caliber will travel 300 yards, carry enough velocity to penetrate a T-111 siding outer wall, continue through a 3/4” sheetrock inner wall, and keep right on going. There is no doubt that ANYONE in the vicinity as far as the eye can see, visible in a window, or traveling ANY of the roads close by was in IMMEDIATE danger from this gunfire at Twin Peaks that day. Drive-by shooters “accidentally” kill many people annually. These bikers were no different.
(3) It appears there were some taken into custody who were CHL licensed gun carriers. The problem is, just because you are a CHL holder, that doesn’t mean you can pack the heat for all your buddies who are not legally able to carry. I have no doubt the DPS will be quick to revoke the CHL licenses of these individuals, and likely pursue prosecution.
I have to wonder what some of the biker defenders here expected the police to do. I haven’t seen any of them suggest they would just walk right in between two groups with high adrenaline levels in the process of shooting and stabbing each other, and ask why we can’t all just get along. I’ve had personal, first hand experience with the damage knife blades and bullets do to human flesh. I’ll pass. And, I would recommend the police pass also. They are paid to expose themselves to a certain level of calculated danger, but this would be suicide.
From the evidence so far, I can only form the opinion that the police acted legally and prudently. There was an immediate public threat in process, and they used sufficient (but not excessive) force to deal with it. The case isn’t over, and neither are the investigations. Things could change - including my opinion. But, I have some associates who are watching this case rather closely, and it isn’t looking good for the bikers.
We expect the police to act like lawmen in the presence of average American motorcyclists who belong to clubs, attending a long-scheduled, pre-announced COCI meeting.
You are okay with the police acting like soldiers, killing enemy combatants identified by insignia and then taking POWs. VERY different from the acts of lawmen. There were ZERO lawmen at Waco -- you utterly FAIL to discern the difference, and it is beyond puzzling. It is downright suspicious.
You are so very extremely misguided and ignorant -- it is mind boggling. Again, DO YOU LIVE IN AN ATTIC and only get your knowledge of the real world from TV?
It's the only explanation for your being so happy and willing to buy into the myth of Sons of Anarchy.
Finny said:
We expect the police to act like lawmen in the presence of average American motorcyclists who belong to clubs, attending a long-scheduled, pre-announced COCI meeting.
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I thought you were through responding to me!
Finny then said:
It’s the only explanation for your being so happy and willing to buy into the myth of Sons of Anarchy.
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Actually, I don’t care for the Sons Of Anarchy, but my biker brother and all of his buddies watch it, and talk about it like stay-at-home wives watching their favorite soap opera.
Social consequences are one thing.
Legal consequences are a whole 'nother talk show.
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