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Jobs elusive for 40% of area poor: Survey respondents still struggling
The Fort Wayne Journal Gazette's Local ^ | May 3, 2015 | Sherry Slater

Posted on 05/03/2015 1:41:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A survey targeting local low-income families has found that 40 percent of respondents felt they have very little or no job security, according to results being released this week.

That kind of instability makes it challenging to commit to car loans, apartment leases and tuition payments – steps often necessary to improving a family’s economic standing.

Of those participating in the survey, more than 1 in 2 has received free groceries or meals and about 1 in 4 has needed help with housing, utilities or health care.

The 502 responses reflect the experiences of those who continue to struggle in northeast Indiana more than five years after the point economists say the Great Recession ended. This was the sixth consecutive year the survey was conducted by members of the Unemployed and Anxiously Employed Workers’ Initiative.

As various politicians kick off their 2016 presidential campaigns, the topic of income inequality is gaining attention. Democrat Hillary Clinton, former senator and secretary of state, has embraced the issue. So have some of her Republican rivals, including Sens. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio.

The widening gap between rich and poor is playing out in a national economy that was largely stagnant in the first quarter of this year.

Feeling the pain

More than 40 percent of those surveyed said the local economy is either in another recession or has entered a fundamental and lasting downturn. Only 30 percent believed an economic recovery is underway. The rest – 28 percent – said they weren’t sure.

Participants were not chosen by random sampling, the scientific method used to ensure statistically valid results. But survey organizers say local leaders can learn from participants’ experiences – even if they can’t use the data to draw conclusions about larger groups of people.

“We want to make sure that those workers, that those individuals, those families that are sometimes left out of the discussion have a voice in the economy,” said Gayle Goodrich, AFL-CIO community services liaison to the United Way of Allen County.

Business leaders, politicians and economists generally dominate the discussion on economic matters, she said.

“But you don’t get to hear from the average worker very often,” Goodrich said.

The methodology differed from another report Goodrich contributed to late last year. She helped compile statistics for Indiana’s first ALICE report, a United Way project. ALICE stands for Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed. The group is commonly referred to as the working poor.

That report pulled together data from numerous sources to paint a more three-dimensional picture of struggling families’ lives. The Workers’ Initiative’s survey seeks a similar goal.

Max Montesino, IPFW associate professor of organizational leadership and supervision, praised the local survey.

Few researchers seek out immigrant and refugee populations to learn about their experiences in the economy, he said. “This is a universe of respondents that are very difficult to reach.”

Nuts and bolts

Goodrich plans to share the results with United Way co-workers and partner agencies.

The Workers’ Initiative plans to present its findings publicly at some point and invite elected officials, survey volunteers and respondents who provided contact information.

Even those who don’t work at, volunteer at or contribute to the nonprofits providing services to the surveyed families can make a difference in their lives, Goodrich said. That includes economic development officials.

“I hope that they’ll continue to look for ways to bring better job opportunities into the community and make sure people have the skills to fill those jobs,” she said.

Last fall, hundreds of area residents were invited to fill out the survey. Of the 502 total responses gathered, 347 were completed in English, 56 were done in Spanish and 99 were written in Burmese.

Offering the survey in three languages is time-consuming, organizers said, but allowed some enlightening comparisons.

“The non-English survey participants were less likely to report their household economy was experiencing a downturn and were more optimistic about the next generation’s economic future,” the final report stated.

Goodrich, who has a master’s degree in sociology, was among about two dozen people who drafted questions, collected responses, compiled data and wrote the final report.

The effort was primarily carried out by volunteers, but Goodrich was paid for a portion of her time because the work dovetailed with her United Way responsibilities.

The format was based on a survey conducted by Rutgers University’s School of Planning and Public Policy. Over the years, members of the Workers’ Initiative have consulted a local team of social scientists for guidance while updating questions to address specific areas of interest.

Paper forms were distributed in places where low-income families are likely to be found: food banks, township trustee offices, free church dinners, black barber shops, the local WorkOne office and at the annual Labor Day picnic at Headwaters Park. The survey was also available online.

Responses were solicited from September through November. Survey participants ranged in age from 18 to 99, with 46 as the median age.

Participants were offered the opportunity to enter a drawing for a $50 Kroger gift card, which required providing their name and address. Or they could choose to remain anonymous. Based on contact information provided, organizers know the survey was completed by residents of Whitley, Steuben and Huntington counties in addition to Allen County.

When volunteers crunched the numbers, they found the average and median annual household incomes reported by survey participants was less than 40 percent of the $45,006 median the American Community Survey reported for Allen County. That leads survey organizers to conclude that they succeeded in targeting local low-income households.

What it is

Goodrich doesn’t discount the value of traditional surveys.

But, she said, studies that follow the scientific route can easily miss out on talking to people without phones or addresses.

“I wish we could do a larger sampling … that represents a larger population,” Goodrich said. “But we don’t have the resources to do that. So we target low-income and immigrant populations.”

Workers’ Initiative surveyors included native Spanish- and Burmese-speaking volunteers who reassured participants that they could answer questions without fear of retribution, such as arrest or deportation.

Getting undocumented workers to talk “is impossible without building up good credibility with that population,” said Montesino, who is Latino.

Once results are gathered, Goodrich and others are careful not to draw conclusions unless data firmly back them up.

For example, 36 percent of Burmese respondents indicated they have “a lot of job security.” But the survey was taken a few months before Vera Bradley Inc. announced plans to close its New Haven factory, a decision that put 250 first-shift employees out of work, including numerous Burmese.

Although some people might assume that the Vera Bradley closure would have severely rattled local Burmese residents’ sense of job security, Goodrich isn’t willing to make that leap.

She doesn’t know whether anyone completing the survey was employed by Vera Bradley. And she won’t speculate on potential ripple effects the closure has had on the local immigrant community’s psyche.

Montesino is following Goodrich’s lead by not drawing conclusions about the local Latino population from the survey results, but he has noted some data that could help his efforts to lobby for immigration reform.

Back to that job security question, 33 percent of Spanish-speakers indicated they have no job security at all. In addition, 16 percent of that group said they have very little job security, for a total of almost 50 percent.

Meanwhile, 75 percent of the Burmese survey participants said they have some or a lot of job security.

Montesino said the disparity reflects the fact that the Burmese are political refugees who were given Social Security numbers, work permits and green cards when they were brought to the United States. But many Latinos lack that documentation, forcing them to take any jobs they can find from employers who are willing to break the rules.

“What they have this week might not be available next week,” he said of day work at construction sites or in farm fields.

Next steps

What happens next is anyone’s guess.

Montesino, the IPFW professor, said the survey results provides some insight into local low-income households.

“Those who make policies, who put programs together that impact this community, will have more information to base those decisions on,” he said. “I do see value in this.”

Last year, for example, an AFL-CIO official delivered a copy of the 2013 survey results directly to President Barack Obama. The goal is to make people in power at the local, state and federal levels aware of the everyday struggles of low-income Americans.

Goodrich already is drafting new questions for the survey to be taken this fall.

She wants more specifics from the 49 percent of Burmese respondents who said they or their families need help with “personal problems.” The multiple-choice answers offered last year were too vague to offer insight into what kinds of assistance families need, she said.

Goodrich hopes the community will develop an economy in which all people can achieve their goals and potential.

Other notable findings:

• Spanish-speaking respondents reported median annual household income of $25,000, which was $10,000 a year more than those who completed the survey in English.

• Burmese-speaking participants reported median annual household income of $17,000, which was $2,000 a year more than English speakers.

• American Community Survey median household income figures for Allen County and the U.S. are $45,006 and $52,250, respectively.

• Although more than 60 percent of Spanish- and Burmese-speaking respondents reported having full-time work, less than 20 percent of English-speaking participants reported having full-time jobs.

• More than 20 percent of English-speaking respondents said they have some kind of disability.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: economy; hispanics; immigration; indiana; minorities; poverty; unemployment; wages
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To: relictele

What else could result? My mother never let us feed stray cats because they return for more (rather than foraging); we’ve done the same for fifty years. The government had to take action back in 1996 with the welfare reform because hordes of Hispanics and whites saw the opportunity to “sit out” the economy as well. Romney was right that 47% of voters were automatically in the Dem column; while the urban birthrate has dropped form the heyday of the welfare queens/sows, a steady stream of suburban and rural non-blacks has hopped on the gravy train.


21 posted on 05/03/2015 2:58:13 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
• Spanish-speaking respondents reported median annual household income of $25,000, which was $10,000 a year more than those who completed the survey in English.

• Burmese-speaking participants reported median annual household income of $17,000, which was $2,000 a year more than English speakers.

Anybody notice this?

The whole post on Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal comes to mind. I don't remember the details, but the basics are that Jose Illegal has about $10K more in disposable income because Joe Legal may earn more, but keeps less because Jose Illegal qualifies for a cornucopia of government programs with Joe Legal earns too much to qualify for . . .

22 posted on 05/03/2015 2:58:17 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: kearnyirish2
Yeah what a fluke lol. I took 300 hours in Microsoft office and typing. Had a bunch of administrative jobs paying 15 bucks an hour!!! lol. I was making 6 driving a cab 73 hours a week!
Then i got sent to graphics dept by accident. They liked me and trained me, don't know why, wasn't cost effective at all to train me, and in two years went from 15 to 22 to 24 to 26 to 30, 32 and 34 :)
No Rockefeller but a lot to me :)
God Bless America!!!
Have to admit black woman and Latino woman signed off for me for the course and boss at graphics center who took the chance on me was a black woman. I'm sure she was uber liberal but she was great as a boss. So real and down to earth. Great guy, Jack, trained me. He descried himself as a Jewish communist lol, but he made a fortune and kids went to catholic private w school. :) I didn't hold his politics against him. His patience was unending and without him i would have not had a career no way no how. I HATE being so indebted to such liberals lol.
23 posted on 05/03/2015 3:03:49 PM PDT by dp0622 (Franky Five Angels: "Look, let's get 'em all -- let's get 'em all now, while we got the muscle.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has to bush’s fault.


24 posted on 05/03/2015 3:05:51 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: dp0622

“There is a help wanted sign in almost every car service window in the poor neighborhoods of State Island. Fast food is always hiring.”

I think the reason a lot of unemployed people don’t have jobs is because they’re unemployable.


25 posted on 05/03/2015 3:21:41 PM PDT by PLMerite ("The issue is never the issue. The issue is the Revolution.")
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To: PLMerite

there were no protests when i had to drive almost 80 hours a week while going to school for Microsoft Suite and Typing.
And funny thing, it was the best year of my life.
At 27, after a Fifteen hour New Years Eve cab shift, i went straight to girlfriend’s house, i showered and dressed, she made me breakfast, we watched some Holiday shows, i fell asleep on couch, she tucked me in and went to sleep in her bedroom. No hanky panky.
Later on we watched more movies and had a great dinner.
Great days


26 posted on 05/03/2015 3:31:23 PM PDT by dp0622 (Franky Five Angels: "Look, let's get 'em all -- let's get 'em all now, while we got the muscle.")
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To: kearnyirish2

I cannot imagine life in the wild hood. Maybe street justice provides an alternate social order. To me it is an alternate reality akin to living in Baghdad. The drugs have a way of making hell on earth seem like a stairway to heaven.


27 posted on 05/03/2015 3:39:50 PM PDT by jonrick46 (America's real drug problem: other people's money (the Commutist's opium addiction).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A survey targeting local low-income families has found that 40 percent of respondents felt they have very little or no job security

These low income people can also be classified as low skill, low education, and unreliable. I have sympathy for them because the have not prepared themselves to be employed and their life will be very hard with no job security.

At the same time I can see why employers consider them of little value.

28 posted on 05/03/2015 3:44:07 PM PDT by oldbrowser (The have-nots want more and the haves are wearing thin.)
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To: txhurl

Motorweek is still on?

I haven’t watched any of that since I had to on Friday afternoons when the the program feed came down.

MW usually did the higher end stuff from what I remember of it. Goss’ Garage was fair. I prefer Sam’s on Saturday AM.

Higher end gov drones here in SC have no problems either.


29 posted on 05/03/2015 4:09:49 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A survey targeting local low-income families has found that 40 percent of respondents felt they have very little or no job security, according to results being released this week.

I know, lets blame "the rich". It's all their fault. Let's raise their taxes so the government can punish them for, well, being rich.

Seriously folks, do you remember a couple years ago, pre-election, the democrats came up with the war on the 1%. Why doesn't someone with the ability to communicate, explain why punishing the 1% not only doesn't work, but retards economic development - i.e. the creation of jobs!

30 posted on 05/03/2015 4:38:42 PM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: PLMerite

“I think the reason a lot of unemployed people don’t have jobs is because they’re unemployable.”

Living off the welfare programs pay more and they never have to leave the couch.


31 posted on 05/03/2015 4:48:04 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: dp0622

Well, it sounds like the old liberals ideas working the way they were supposed to (the problem is how they are implemented; sounds like it worked out well in your case). Good for those others leaving their tribalism behind and doing the right thing!


32 posted on 05/03/2015 5:15:45 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: jonrick46

I couldn’t imagine it either; I see why so many enlist to get away from it all.


33 posted on 05/03/2015 5:18:12 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Was it really a liberal program? yes lol. They made a fortune in income taxes on me in the long run for a lousy five grand. but maybe 15 percent in that class were going anywhere.
I just happened to be a smart ambitious guy with no direction and a fear of computers. It worked out great.
Not so for many i’m sure.

But blacks cry about no opportunity. Any day of the week you can see hundreds in front of delis and bodegas bragging about how they are men because they weren’t b..es in prison. God forbid they show up and take advantage of the class.


34 posted on 05/03/2015 5:33:01 PM PDT by dp0622 (Franky Five Angels: "Look, let's get 'em all -- let's get 'em all now, while we got the muscle.")
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To: dp0622

That’s you (and good on you). Some “other” folks don’t have the drive or the brains to get ahead.


35 posted on 05/03/2015 7:09:51 PM PDT by PLMerite ("The issue is never the issue. The issue is the Revolution.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I bet your city had a few high paying factory jobs in the 50s...Studebaker, for one. I’d blame the union especially the UAW.


36 posted on 05/03/2015 7:54:13 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Steely Tom
If a Republican is President, these problems getting a job are absolutely positively 100% his fault and no one else’s.

And 6 weeks after either Cruz (or Walker) is in office, they will be howling with glee that it ain't been fixed yet - ignoring that their guy spent 8 years breaking it and strewing the parts around.

37 posted on 05/04/2015 3:18:29 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: dp0622

Oh, I’m not implying you didn’t pay for it; you certainly did. Foreigners are shocked at how they don’t take advantage of the programs offered to them.


38 posted on 05/04/2015 4:13:57 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

why would they? They are the Laziest bunch of human begins I have ever met. I wonder how their ancestors had energy to hunt for food. I HATE LBJ for starting this and probably killing Kennedy and I’m glad he died in the seventies lol

a lot of those people in the room though were dregs an not going to put the class to use. that was a shame.
I’m al for programs that are going to get a person into the work field and pay many many times back in taxes what he got for the courses. But the criteria should be high. Not just be unemployed but wanting to change.


39 posted on 05/04/2015 4:47:29 AM PDT by dp0622 (Franky Five Angels: "Look, let's get 'em all -- let's get 'em all now, while we got the muscle.")
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To: dp0622

I see your point; I don’t view them as lazy alone - they are just comfortable enough on the dole...


40 posted on 05/04/2015 2:47:50 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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