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Many say "consumption" drives the US economy. This financial expert says that is completely wrong.
TheBlaze Books ^ | 2015-04-06 | Benjamin Weingarten

Posted on 04/16/2015 9:57:34 AM PDT by fredericbastiat1

If you listen to the news on the economy or financial markets, you have probably heard statements like “consumption drives the American economy,” or “consumption is 70% of the economy.”

But in a new book out that follows in the footsteps of Henry Hazlitt’s classic “Economics in One Lesson” — though in a much more fun package — titled “Popular Economics: What the Rolling Stones, Downton Abbey, and LeBron James Can Teach You about Economics,” Forbes and RealClearMarkets Editor, and senior economic advisor to Toreador Research and Trading John Tamny challenges this and much other “conventional wisdom” on taxes, regulations, trade and money.

In an in-depth interview with Mr. Tamny, I asked him in particular about the notion that consumption drives economic growth, to which he responded:

(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: consumption; economy; spending
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To: Boogieman
It’s pretty basic that production drives an economy.

That's what the Soviets thought. It didn't matter if there was an actual demand for the goods, they would set Five-Year Plans that dictated that x number of good y would be produced.

21 posted on 04/16/2015 10:28:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: fredericbastiat1
"Necessity is the Mother of Invention"

22 posted on 04/16/2015 10:30:20 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: fredericbastiat1
Most corporations have gone Liberal. To drive short term profits (which is all Wall Street cares about), they want people to spend^3 and go into debt up to their eyeballs. People who are good citizens and actually SAVE are the enemy. That is one reason why savings have been dis-incentivized. They also don't care where the $$ comes from that gets spent. It is all the same to them whether it comes from a real job or a some Government handout. I think once upon a time, they used to care, but no longer. Anything to get more consumers consuming is good. Even if they have to be imported by the millions and put on the dole, financed with deficit spending.
23 posted on 04/16/2015 10:32:15 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: fredericbastiat1
Henry Hazlitt should know that "DEMAND' drives the U.S. economy. You can have "consumption" after DEMAND is realized.

Sheesh, the economic intelligence of this country is woefully inadequate.

5.56mm

24 posted on 04/16/2015 10:32:17 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: DannyTN

Thousands of years ago people realized they were consuming more food than they could hunt or gather so they turned to farming as a way of producing a supply of food they could consume.

Even before that people that lived in an area with good rocks for making tools traded those rocks with people from another area that had something they wanted or needed.

You’re right.

Consumption is what leads to production which when you put the 2 together equals an economy.


25 posted on 04/16/2015 10:44:05 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And without consumption, there is no production. If there isn’t a demand for something, then there will be no production (and no product being produced).

For example, toilet paper might not be needed if it weren’t for the toilet. No one needs toilet paper and it is only a recent invention. We did fine without it since the beginning of time. It was because a need was created or maybe realized that it is produced.


26 posted on 04/16/2015 10:55:56 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
And without consumption, there is no production.

How do you consume something that has not been produced?

Demand does not create supply.

27 posted on 04/16/2015 10:57:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If obama speaks and th<uere is no one the<ire to hear it, is it still a lie?)
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To: dhs12345

Agreed. There is a symbiotic relationship between the producers & the market.

Which is why the US has thrived via the vision, determination, and fortitude of venture capitalists...


28 posted on 04/16/2015 10:57:59 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
How do you consume something that has not been produced?

I consume air.

29 posted on 04/16/2015 11:01:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: jonno; dhs12345; E. Pluribus Unum

Additionally, as anyone working in manufacturing knows there is a little tool called the “marketing survey”:

“Mr. Customer would you be interested in buying product x if it did y & z? And if so, what would you be willing to pay for product x?”


30 posted on 04/16/2015 11:04:31 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Lazamataz

Air exists. It’s been produced. Anti-gravity machines do not exist. I need one. When can I start consuming them?


31 posted on 04/16/2015 11:04:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If obama speaks and th<uere is no one the<ire to hear it, is it still a lie?)
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To: jonno

So if you produce something that nobody buys, how did consumption produce it?


32 posted on 04/16/2015 11:06:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If obama speaks and th<uere is no one the<ire to hear it, is it still a lie?)
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To: RipSawyer
The ipod was the platform that allowed Apple to gain market share and dominance. Plus the massive revenues gained to develop new technologies like the Iphone. No doubt!

It is not a coincidence that the Iphone looked similar to the ipod. Heck, the ipod and ipad are very similar in form-fit. The iphone/ipad is an ipod/basic ipad with the telephone electronics. That is how Apple markets the product family. Both have wifi, both play all of the apps. The only difference: the telephone electronics.

Plus, I bet that one of the decisions many folks make when buying an iphone is “does it play my thousands of dollars of iTunes music.” The answer is yes and it is no coincidence.

33 posted on 04/16/2015 11:10:25 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Demand does not create supply.


Actually, it does.

There’s a huge difference however between a “Need” and a “Want”.

Food, shelter and clothing are needs. Once the demand for these basics are met then people shift to wants.

These desires/wants are then compounded upon each other to create new perceived “Needs”.

It is still demand that drives an economy.


34 posted on 04/16/2015 11:12:48 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly. That is why I made the claim that the relationship is symbiotic.

I wouldn’t manufacture a product unless my research found that there were willing customers. Even then I’m taking a chance (capital risk).

The smart producer - the most successful - is the one who understands the (potential) consumers of his product; what they want, what they need...


35 posted on 04/16/2015 11:14:42 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

Exactly. And often times the marketing survey returns bogus results. It is often that a customer doesn’t know what they want or need. Simply because the product or idea is too new.

An example: if you asked my 10 years ago, if I needed a mobile phone that does everything. I’d probably tell you that my tried and true wired phone works just fine. Timing is everything.


36 posted on 04/16/2015 11:16:47 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: fredericbastiat1
Everybody who reads FR should have already read Hazlitt's short book by now. It makes you quite immune to any liberal economic and social jjustice arguments bcause it trains you to think economically, to automatically ask and answer the question-"and then what?" every time someone makes a compassionate sounding proposal or demand.
37 posted on 04/16/2015 11:18:19 AM PDT by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: dfwgator

Well, obviously you don’t want to just produce anything, you have to produce something there is a demand for.


38 posted on 04/16/2015 11:20:53 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: jonno

Well said!


39 posted on 04/16/2015 11:21:20 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: arthurus

“Tax the Rich

feed the poor

till there are

rich?.... no..... more?

Wait, how does it go again?


40 posted on 04/16/2015 11:21:22 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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