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Even in 2015, the New York Times is still pretending that desalination does not exist
wordpress ^ | April 6, 2015 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 04/06/2015 3:51:29 AM PDT by grundle

Even in 2015, the New York Times is still pretending that desalination does not exist


The New York Times just published this article on California’s water shortage:

California Drought Tests History of Endless Growth

A punishing drought is forcing a reconsideration of whether the aspiration of untrammeled growth that has for so long been the state’s engine has run against the limits of nature.

April 4, 2015

LOS ANGELES — For more than a century, California has been the state where people flocked for a better life — 164,000 square miles of mountains, farmland and coastline, shimmering with ambition and dreams, money and beauty. It was the cutting-edge symbol of possibility: Hollywood, Silicon Valley, aerospace, agriculture and vineyards.

But now a punishing drought — and the unprecedented measures the state announced last week to compel people to reduce water consumption — is forcing a reconsideration of whether the aspiration of untrammeled growth that has for so long been this state’s driving engine has run against the limits of nature.

The 25 percent cut in water consumption ordered by Gov. Jerry Brown raises fundamental questions about what life in California will be like in the years ahead…

… the scarcity of water could result in a decline in housing construction, at a time when there has been a burst of desperately needed residential development in cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The article contains exactly zero mention of desalination as a solution to these problems.

Apparently, the New York Times would rather complain about California’s water shortage, than propose a way to actually solve the problem.

The same New York Times article also states:

… even California’s biggest advocates are wondering if the severity of this drought, now in its fourth year, is going to force a change in the way the state does business.

Can Los Angeles continue to dominate as the country’s capital of entertainment and glamour, and Silicon Valley as the center of high tech, if people are forbidden to take a shower for more than five minutes and water bills become prohibitively expensive? Will tourists worry about coming? Will businesses continue their expansion in places like San Francisco and Venice?

The New York Times’s claim about “even California’s biggest advocates” is false. In the real world, California’s “biggest advocates” are in favor of desalination. The fact that the New York Times says otherwise proves that its writers are living in a fantasyland.

Meanwhile, in the real world, this other article, which is from McClatchy, says that desalination has allowed Israel to stop worrying about water shortages:

Israel no longer worried about its water supply, thanks to desalination plants

March 20, 2014

HADERA, Israel — Israel has gone through one of the driest winters in its history, but despite the lean rainy season, the government has suspended a longstanding campaign to conserve water.

Israel has in recent years achieved a quiet water revolution through desalination.

Some 80 percent of domestic water use in Israeli cities comes from desalinated water…

“There’s no water problem because of the desalination,” said Hila Gil, director of the desalination division in the Israel Water Authority. “The problem is no longer on the agenda.”

Israel’s experience might also offer some important lessons, or at least contrast, for states like California.

Each of Israel’s plants cost between $300 million and $450 million to build. The plants are privately owned and operated, under a contract with the government, which buys the water from the plants. The budget for water purchases comes from water charges to consumers. The plants are not subsidized.

Desalinated water at the Soreq plant is produced at the price of 52 cents a cubic meter

Wow! Those numbers are quite impressive: 80% of Israel’s domestic water comes from desalination, it costs only 52 cents per cubic meter, and it doesn’t even require any government subsidies.

California has a population density of 246 people per square mile. Israel, by comparison, has a population density of 1,004 people per square mile.

In other words, Israel’s population density is more than four times that of California’s.

And yet, while Israel has enough water for its people, the New York Times falsely claims that California has reached its limits of growth, and could not supply water for any additional people.

Israel has chosen desalination over water shortages.

California, by comparison, has chosen water shortages over desalination.

And the New York Times has chosen to ignore reality.



TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: california; desalination; desalinationplants; drought; governormoonbeam; israel; jerrybrown; mediabias; moonbeam; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; water
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To: Hugin

Yeah. California has multiple problems combined into one that can never be solved through a single simple fix.


21 posted on 04/06/2015 4:44:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Hugin

How is water an inconsistent return.


22 posted on 04/06/2015 5:05:19 AM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Hugin
each plant costs 300-400 million and provides 50 million gallons per day, join that with reclaiming and reusing water that they don't do now couldn't hurt in the long run. the population of the whole state is 39 million. They are trying to spend 10 billion on high speed rail for a few people, that money would be 25 desalinization plants. They just don't understand dead people don't ride trains. Priorities!!!
23 posted on 04/06/2015 5:27:42 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: lilypad

You would spend hundreds of billions of dollars and it would take years to complete a pipeline that would have no use after the drought ended.


24 posted on 04/06/2015 5:29:40 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: grundle

Dan from squirrel blog is also far, far away from reality.

The EPA has been blocking desalination plants since the 1980s.

Sorry Dan. As much as you wish to make it so, the Environmental Protection Agency is part of the federal government. Not the California state government.

Congratulations on taking up the issue though (however belatedly).


25 posted on 04/06/2015 5:47:31 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: grundle

I don’t know if the current EPA rules allow desal.

All that concentrated brine has to go somewhere, and the rules are it can’t go back to the source water (you can only discharge cleaner water than you take in).

That is the issue.


26 posted on 04/06/2015 5:50:53 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: grundle
Israel is using private plants with no subsidies. That is not how things work in America any more.
27 posted on 04/06/2015 5:52:57 AM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: combat_boots

The Western Hemisphere’s largest desalination plant will be up and running next year, just outside of San Diego.


28 posted on 04/06/2015 6:22:30 AM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: grundle

Santa Barbara built a desalination plant in 1991, then the rains hit, and they mothballed it in 1992, now they are reopening it and Carlsbad is building the largest desalination plant in the Western hemisphere.

In 2011 the United States, along with Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Spain was among the top 4 markets for desalinated water, it isn’t like we don’t know about it, or won’t incorporate it as the market dictates.

“Despite these hurdles, however, the United States ranks fourth among markets for desalinated water behind Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Spain, according to an International Desalination Association presentation from 2011.”

http://www.bna.com/us-desalination-industry-n17179876105/


29 posted on 04/06/2015 6:24:15 AM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: All

If we could make the ice caps melt more, than that would have to produce more evaporation and rain I would think...


30 posted on 04/06/2015 6:50:55 AM PDT by uncle fenders
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To: grundle

More freshwater means more people moving in, more construction, more government, more socialism. Democrat voters become the majority when the local population density reaches 800 people per square mile. CA has an overpopulation problem, not a water problem.


31 posted on 04/06/2015 7:46:19 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: VaRepublican
How is water an inconsistent return.

As I already posted, in normal years when reservoirs are full, those water districts have enough water without buying it from a private company. So what happens to those companies then? Maybe there could be some sort of water futures system, where water districts contract long term, but that doesn't exist now. I'm just saying there could be a decade or more between droughts, so it's not as simple as just building them.

32 posted on 04/06/2015 1:35:55 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: cripplecreek

There’s a lot more to growing than just water. The Central valley has the best climate and soil of pretty much anywhere on earth.


33 posted on 04/06/2015 1:44:14 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: Hugin
Recent developments in desal make it very competitive with existing water supplies.
34 posted on 04/06/2015 1:51:21 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Hugin

But mostly it has cheap illegal labor.


35 posted on 04/06/2015 1:52:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: cripplecreek

That’s a great point - desalination would indeed slow the rising sea level caused by global warming.


36 posted on 04/06/2015 4:05:11 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Hugin

That’s a good point. Perhaps some kind of long term contract could address that issue.


37 posted on 04/06/2015 4:06:06 PM PDT by grundle
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To: combat_boots

Thanks for the link.


38 posted on 04/06/2015 4:08:11 PM PDT by grundle
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To: RayChuang88

I agree with you about using nuclear power to power desalination plants.


39 posted on 04/06/2015 4:09:07 PM PDT by grundle
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To: combat_boots

Thank you for the links.


40 posted on 04/06/2015 4:09:51 PM PDT by grundle
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