Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

We Can Kill Our Way to Victory (Greenfield)
Sultan Knish blog ^ | Sunday, February 22, 2015 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/22/2015 9:14:54 PM PST by Louis Foxwell

Sunday, February 22, 2015

We Can Kill Our Way to Victory

Posted by Daniel Greenfield @ the Sultan Knish blog

“We can not win this war by killing them,” Marie Harf said on MSNBC.

 Reversing thousands of years of battlefield experience in which wars were won by “killing them”, the State Department spokeswoman argued that you can’t defeat ISIS by killing its fighters.

"We can not kill our way out of this war,” she said. “We need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups, whether it is lack of opportunity for jobs."

War is one of the few things in life we can reliably kill our way out of. The United States has had a great track record of killing our way out of wars. We killed our way out of WW1. We killed our way out of WW2. The problem began when we stopped trying to kill our way out of wars and started trying to hug our way out of wars instead. Progressive academics added war to economics, terrorism and the climate in the list of subjects they did not understand and wanted to make certain that no one else was allowed to understand. Because the solution to war is so obvious that no progressive could possibly think of it.

Harf’s argument is a familiar one. There was a time when progressive reformers had convinced politicians that we couldn’t arrest, shoot, imprison or execute our way out of crime.

We couldn’t stop crime by fighting crime. Instead the root causes of crime had to be addressed. The police became social workers and criminals overran entire cities. The public demanded action and a new wave of mayors got tough on crime. While the sociologists, social workers, activists and bleeding hearts wailed that it wouldn’t work, surprisingly locking up criminals did stop them from committing crimes.

It was a revelation almost as surprising as realizing that it does take a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. Addressing root causes won’t stop a killing spree in progress. (That’s another one of those things we can and do kill our way out of.)

But bad ideas are harder to kill than bad people. And stupid ideas are the hardest ideas of all to kill.

The same plan that failed to stop street gangs and drug dealers has been deployed to defeat ISIS. Heading it up are progressives who don’t believe that killing the enemy wins wars.

General Patton told the Third Army, “The harder we push, the more Germans we kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed.” That kind of thinking is passé. General McChrystal, Obama’s favorite commander (before he had to be purged for insulting Obama) had a much better plan.

“We will not win based on the number of Taliban we kill,” he said. “We must avoid the trap of winning tactical victories—but suffering strategic defeats—by causing civilian casualties or excessive damage and thus alienating the people.”

Under Obama’s rotating shift of commanders, we avoided the trap of winning tactical victories. Instead of following Patton’s maxim, American casualties doubled. The Taliban struck closer to Kabul while US soldiers avoided engaging the enemy because they wouldn’t be given permission to attack unless the Taliban announced themselves openly while avoiding mosques or civilian buildings.

“We will not win simply by killing insurgents,” McChrystal had insisted. “We will help the Afghan people win by securing them, by protecting them from intimidation, violence and abuse.”

But we couldn’t protect the Afghan people without killing the Taliban. Civilian casualties caused by the United States fell 28 percent, but the Taliban more than made up for it by increasing their killing of civilians by 40 percent. Not only did we avoid the trap of a tactical victory, but we also suffered a strategic defeat. American soldiers couldn’t kill insurgents, protect civilians or even protect themselves. We’ve tried the McChrystal way and over 2,000 American soldiers came home in boxes from Afghanistan trying to win the hearts and minds of the Afghans. Many more returned missing arms and legs. The Taliban poll badly among Afghans, but instead of hiring a PR expert to improve their image, a Pentagon report expects them to be encircling key cities by 2017.

Unlike our leaders, the Taliban are not worried about falling into the trap of winning tactical victories. They are big believers in killing their way to popularity. As ISIS and Boko Haram have demonstrated, winning by killing works better than trying to win by wars by winning polls.

Now the same whiz kids that looked for the root cause of the problem in Afghanistan by dumping money everywhere, including into companies linked to Al Qaeda and the Taliban, think that the way to beat ISIS is with unemployment centers and job training. Many of the ISIS Jihadists come from the social welfare paradises of Europe where there are more people employed to find the root causes of terrorism through welfare than there are people working to fight them. So far they haven’t had much luck either.

The Europeans were still searching for the root causes of Muslim terrorism back when Obama was smoking pot on a dirty couch. They’re still searching for them even while newspapers, cafes and synagogues are shot up. Meanwhile unarmed police officers lie on the ground and beg for their lives.

Obama’s real ISIS strategy is even worse than his Afghan strategy. He doesn’t have a plan for beating ISIS. He has a plan for preventing it from expanding while the sociologists try to figure out the root causes for its popularity. American air power isn’t there to crush ISIS. It’s there to stop it from launching any major advances and embarrassing him too much. Meanwhile hearts and minds will be won. At least those minds that haven’t been beheaded and those hearts that haven’t been burned to ash.

We won’t be falling into the trap of winning victories. Instead we’ll be figuring out how to create jobs so that all the ISIS fighters go home to Copenhagen and Paris where they won’t be Obama’s problem.

But while it’s tempting to believe that stupid ideas like these are solely the realm of lefties like Obama, it was Mitt Romney who announced during the final debate that, “We can't kill our way out of this mess.”

“We're going to have to put in place a very comprehensive and robust strategy to help the world of Islam and other parts of the world, reject this radical violent extremism,” he insisted, calling for education and economic development.

“Killing our way out of this mess” has become an orphaned strategy. Neither Democrats nor
Republicans want to take it home with them. But killing our way out of wars used to be a bipartisan strategy.

Truman believed in a plan to “kill as many as possible.” Eisenhower could casually write, “We should have killed more of them.” But why listen to the leaders who oversaw America’s last great war when we can instead listen to the architects of the social strategy that turned our cities into war zones?

What did Eisenhower and Truman know that Obama doesn’t? They knew war.

Truman cheated his way into WW1, despite being an only son and half-blind. He took the initiative and took the war to the enemy. They don’t make Democrats like that anymore. They do make Democrats like Barack Obama, who use Marines as umbrella stands and whose strategy is not to offend the enemy.

In Afghanistan, the top brass considered a medal for “courageous restraint”. If we go on trying to not kill our way out of Iraq, that medal will go well with all the burned bodies and severed heads.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: greenfield; harf; sultanknish
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

Sultan Knish/Daniel Greenfield Ping List notification of new articles.

FReepmail or drop me a comment to get on or off the Sultan Knish ping list. I highly recommend an occasional look at the Sultan Knish blog. It is a rich source of materials, links and more from one of the preeminent writers of our age.

We are uniquely privileged to be able to enjoy DG from our perch at FR.
Lou

1 posted on 02/22/2015 9:14:54 PM PST by Louis Foxwell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: daisy mae for the usa; AdvisorB; wizardoz; free-in-nyc; Vendome; Georgia Girl 2; blaveda; ...

2 posted on 02/22/2015 9:15:41 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

The fraud of liberalism grows richer stench by the day. Soon it will overwhelm global warming as the proof of man made pollution.


3 posted on 02/22/2015 9:23:13 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

The only way to keep people from joining ISIS is to kill all of those who are already members. Do that and people will figure it out on their own.


4 posted on 02/22/2015 9:23:47 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

We can only win with HUGS! Lots of hugs! the hugs of a powerful bear—the kind that breaks ribs and cause the lungs to be punchered, Spines to crack and severe internal injuries! The kind that leaves people in Wheelchairs!


5 posted on 02/22/2015 9:24:30 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

We’re gonna have to...


6 posted on 02/22/2015 9:30:19 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

Anyone bearing arms for Islamic groups should be killed without hesitation or mercy. Give no quarter to our enemy. Until we engage the war we find ourselves in, we lose and die.


7 posted on 02/22/2015 9:32:21 PM PST by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Reno89519

Personally, if US troops or military are used against Islamic groups, it should be by first destroying their mosque, then anyone coming out to defend it.


8 posted on 02/22/2015 9:34:52 PM PST by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

Back in the “olden” days before “modern” ideas began dismantling reality (as a mental construct), when people believed in good and evil, we could go kick @ss for the good guys and leave the evil dead to be eaten by crows and claim victory.

The muzzies would have been banished to obscurity by now instead of raising hell all over the planet.

I miss the good old days.


9 posted on 02/22/2015 9:59:54 PM PST by bluejean (The lunatics are running the asylum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Forward the Light Brigade

Hugs and job!!!!


10 posted on 02/22/2015 10:17:24 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

Couldn’t agree more, Marie Harf has figured out the WHY of ISIS.

Please deeply inbed her so she can straighten this mess out


11 posted on 02/22/2015 10:21:46 PM PST by jcon40
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell
My sorrow is that the Boomer generation is the last to understand war because our fathers lived it and passed their understanding along.

This article reminded me of an old Comic book, "M.A.R.S. Patrol Total War", published by Gold Key Comics for 10 issues from July 1965 to August 1969.

12 posted on 02/22/2015 10:36:24 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell
We did not win WWII with job programs and outreach to the social masses. We won WWII by killing the enemy until he said, “We Surrender, we surrender unconditionally.”

Our enemy was then rebuilt i.e. Germany and Japan to be our allies which they are today. We kept residual force there for many years until they were loyal and firm allies. Our forces there today our not forces of occupation but those of mutual defense that both Germany and Japan welcome. We are on the same side. As sovereign nations they could make us leave anytime they wanted.

We defeated the “bad guys” in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama then pulled us out without robust residual forces. As a result the bad guys now control most of Iraq and soon will control Afghanistan.

The real question is this was predictable and Obama knew this. WHY DID HE DO THIS and which side is he on!!!!

13 posted on 02/22/2015 10:46:08 PM PST by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

Actually with these islamist bastards, killing them is the ONLY way to victory. The sooner we come to terms with that, the fewer we’ll nave to kill.


14 posted on 02/22/2015 10:47:53 PM PST by aquila48
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

There’s an excellent companion piece titled “The Only Strategy to Defeat Jihad” by Jonathan David Carson, Feb. 11, American Thinker. The author posits that the enemy is no longer afraid of us due largely to the end of colonialism.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/the_only_strategy_to_defeat_jihad.html#ixzz3SYJwC1MK


15 posted on 02/22/2015 11:55:55 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

Seems to me if all the enemy were dead, the war is over.


16 posted on 02/23/2015 12:40:12 AM PST by exnavy (Islam is not a religion, it is an attack plan for war.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell

what makes this war different than any other war? we won those by killing more of them and threatening to keep doing so unless they surrendered.

marie can’t say it’s different b/c the president is a muslim and isis is his fellow muslim jihadi brothers.


17 posted on 02/23/2015 1:26:24 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cpdiii

Carter. The taking of our embassy and the hostages was an act of war. We should have attacked and destroyed the Iranian a-holes.


18 posted on 02/23/2015 1:33:34 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Louis Foxwell
"We can not kill our way out of this war,” she said. “We need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups, whether it is lack of opportunity for jobs."

One of their root causes is to ensure that women such as herself are bought and sold as sex slaves. What is she willing to do to address that unsatisfied need?

19 posted on 02/23/2015 4:17:23 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: exnavy

Agreed. Support Islam and die. On the battlefield we cannot give quarter to Islam and its supporters. Coddling the Islamic state is weak and self-defeating. What I’d like to see is that every time someone drives around in a truck or march anywhere flying the Islamic flag, that it is immediately destroyed by a UAV.


20 posted on 02/23/2015 5:17:08 AM PST by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson