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Home Owner Associations robbing people of their rights, their savings and their homes
Coach is Right ^ | 2/15/15 | Suzanne Eovaldi

Posted on 02/15/2015 9:08:46 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

Using Agitprop and elements of the Delphi propaganda method (3), lethal Home Owners Associations (HOAs) are moving north out of huge Miami-Fort Lauderdale territories up along Florida’s I-95 corridor to take over more and more personal property rights of unsuspecting homeowners in gated, HOA communities. And the effects are not pretty! “Resetting the default position. . .exploits the structure of the choice to encourage a more desirable option,” says Cass R. Sunstein, author of the book NUDGE. (1) Employed by the Obama Administration as a regulatory czar, it was Sunstein’s job to have the American people do what the government wanted them to do, all the while believing it was actually their own idea!

A heuristic is a term applied to getting a student or other type of governmental human unit to do what government wants them to do by programing certain choices involving quick decisions and empirical thought processes rather than theory based decision. Most conservatives should be quite aware of the United Nations inspired Agenda 21, Seven/50 attempts to take over private property of unsuspecting Americans. ”Choice Architecture,” a devastating term developed by Sunstein and co-author Richard Thaler, is defined this way: “…If you want a person to reach a desirable outcome and you can’t change the heuristic she’s following, then you have to meddle with the choice architecture, setting up one that when matched with the given heuristic delivers the desirable (for govt) outcome,” writes the former Obama czar. (2) Nudging HOA residents along the path of cessation of private property rights plays into big government agendas!

Remnants of Agenda 21 are destroying the peace of neighborhoods and towns in South Florida. All along the coast, citizens and local governments are being traumatized by the All Aboard Florida project that seeks to run at least 32 trains...

(Excerpt) Read more at coachisright.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: agenda21; agitprop; delphi; delphipropaganda; florida; nwo; privateproperty; propertyrights; treasurecoast; un; unitednations
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To: WayneS; Alberta's Child

“That’s easy. They don’t read it before they sign it.”

In my case, we were given outdated CC&Rs with no mention of an HOA. The revised ones, which we did not see for several years, allowed the formation of an HOA but did not mandate it. During a time when the ownership of many lots was locked up in a court battle, a majority of the remaining lots voted to start the HOA. That was the first time I saw the revised CC&Rs.

My realtor had died in the meantime, so suing him wasn’t an option. I guess I could have sued the title company, but I had never lived in an HOA and it didn’t seem worth the fight at the time.

I have a lot less sympathy for someone who buys into an HOA and then complains. We had looked at building a home in one area, but the CC&Rs required HOA permission just to plant a tree - the rules ran close to 100 pages. So we didn’t buy...but those who did would have no right to complain.


141 posted on 02/15/2015 12:46:41 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Mouton
one person kept pushing for a rule specifying no one could have a car more than 9 years old.

That's INSANE! But there's always a Democrat somewhere...

142 posted on 02/15/2015 12:48:03 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
We lived for 20+ years in an HOA condo community in Central Florida. When we had issues with the way the community was going we found an easy way to address the issue - which was to run for office in the HOA, get elected, and "take over". Not only did we stop having issues with the HOA, but we were able to improve everyone's life and increase property values dramatically.

As an example, before getting involved we were starting to have trouble with trespassers at the pools and "gang-like" activity. Once we got into office we got high fences with keyed locks installed at all the pools and tennis courts, and hired a security service to patrol the property.

Now that I think of it, I bet this would work at the national level as well. The secret is to GET INVOLVED.

143 posted on 02/15/2015 12:48:10 PM PST by The Duke
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To: southern rock
But there is no "right" to high property values. However there is a right to have an oddball home if it is on private property. Therefore HOA's are anti-private property.

But there is a right to free association. (OK; it's been shite-canned; but it supposedly is an American right.) If people want to freely choose to live in an HOA for the benefits of it and are willing to do the work of keeping it free (freedom isn't free; everyone must pitch in), then they have a right to form an association where everyone has the same goal of maintaining property values.

If the whole idea of an HOA is not for you, by no means should you move in and then complain. You would have to put your signature on an agreement to abide by the rules if you buy into an HOA community. People shouldn't sign on and then moan.

144 posted on 02/15/2015 12:53:30 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: WayneS

There are millions of people who want to live in HOAs.

Why shouldn’t they have the freedom to live with and enjoy other like-minded people?


145 posted on 02/15/2015 12:59:52 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Alberta's Child
In some states I'd say the notion of an HOA is inherently bad. This would include any state where the laws governing HOAs are so flawed that they expose homeowners in these organizations to legal risks that they may have never anticipated when they bought their homes.

And that's why people should have an attorney go over their settlement documents. I am a very middle-class homeowever, but even when I was young and starting out before the days of liberal fascism, I always had a lawyer when I bought a property.

146 posted on 02/15/2015 1:01:46 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Mr Rogers

All of that is fine - but again, a few anecdotes don’t a case make - besides - I am not making any case other than that HOAs are neither good nor bad inherently - there are good ones, bad ones, those in the middle. And it’s not a rights issue either.

Those are my only points. I am not in an HOA nor do I have any connection to one other than one rental house I own is in one. It’s a real nice neighborhood - houses 400 to 2 million outside Raleigh - and we have no issues with any of the 4 families who have rented it. I realize others have horror stories.

But again, those are anecdotes, nothing inherent.


147 posted on 02/15/2015 1:02:10 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Alberta's Child
for the vast majority of issues that come up in an HOA the governing documents will supersede state and local laws.

Doesn't sound right to me. We had a bunch of issues that homeowners were able to overturn because state law overrode the HOA. (Maryland)

148 posted on 02/15/2015 1:04:44 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

They ARE a level of government.

That is the whole point. For you to claim they have nothing to do with government is just plains delusional.


149 posted on 02/15/2015 1:31:20 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Don’t fall for the lies. Buyers have no choice in some vast areas. It’s either buy a house in one of the many developments with developers’ associations (started by the developers of the developments), or be one of their renters that they perceive as being trashy slaves to be spied upon, abused and robbed.

The so-called “contracts” are automatic and only desired by the few who use them to rob others. Those who like their developers’ associations feel that they have the right to control everyone else’s land. If they want to control all that they see, they should buy at least thousands of acres with their own money.

Developers’ associations should be outlawed and abolished. They’re communistic. Neighbors should mind their own business and stop helping the Lawyer Party creeps at robbing others.


150 posted on 02/15/2015 1:35:00 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: The Antiyuppie
OTOH, without a HOA, you can wind up living next door to someone with a washing machine in the front yard or with people sacrificing goats in the backyard.

The washing machine sure as heck wouldn't bother me at all. It's his land. The goat thing? Well, most places aren't zoned for livestock.
151 posted on 02/15/2015 1:38:35 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: ladyjane

Please point out where I said people should not be able to join an HOA if they wish.

Excepting certain basic human rights, I have no problem with people having the freedom to sign away their rights to others and to then live under their subjugation and control. I just hope no one who joins an HOA expects me to come to their defense when it all goes pear-shaped for them.

I am very familiar with HOAs, and I stand by my comments regarding my personal [lack of] desire to live under one.


152 posted on 02/15/2015 1:41:51 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I know of quite a few large developments that have been nearly empty for about 40 years, and any buyer of one of the vacant lots in those developments will still be automatically subject to one of the commie HOAs. The commie establishment is happy with that, because it keeps their commie property taxes high by keeping property prices outrageously high. Nearly all of the HOA commies are receiving their incomes directly or indirectly from government.

The longer it’s allowed to go on, the fewer properties without attached developers’ (homeowners’) associations. Eventually, there will be none. A few socialists who lie about being conservative will control all of the country’s properties under 160 acres. That’s what they’re after. In at least some developers’/homeowners’ associations, liens are being put on properties with dues only a few months late.

It’s a monstrous land grab by the political/regulator class commies.


153 posted on 02/15/2015 1:51:40 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: WayneS

I think most of us here on FR would avoid HOAs but some here would like to make them illegal. That’s silly. It’s like saying I want my freedom but I don’t want those other people to have freedom.


154 posted on 02/15/2015 1:54:33 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: The Duke

Civic Council for starters, and School boards.


155 posted on 02/15/2015 1:54:40 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: GeronL

HOA is presented to prospective buyers as a means to keep thier property values up and thier neghborhood pristine but it can turn into a dictatorship


156 posted on 02/15/2015 1:58:31 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Empty head empty suit = arrogant little bastard)
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To: ladyjane

I agree. And I don’t think I said differently.


157 posted on 02/15/2015 2:05:51 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: WayneS

That is an excellent example. I had an ambiguously platted easment on a property, and it took years to straighten out that it was only for emergency access by the adjacent owners, and not for every Tom, Dick and Harry to traipse through my yard to the public park on beyond. (Guess whose HOA wouldn’t allow the side yard to be fenced?) Ultimately, it was solved by the engineering firm who drew the plat writing a letter clarifying what they should have made more clear, and my insurance agent explaining to the park ranger the park’s liability for funneling traffic through private property — and finally the park and the HOA allowed No Trespassing signs. People still try to trespass, but not as many; and the police community relations officer affirmed our right to tell people to leave because it’s posted No Trespassing.


158 posted on 02/15/2015 2:24:38 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: TexasGator; jonascord
TexasGator replied:
"Our HOA community is over 90% republican. It is nice also, to keep the riff-raff like you out."

I've seen associations with most of the more actively busybody residents claiming to be conservative. This is what their career and pension profiles looked like.

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”
National Cmte to Preserve Social Security & Medicare $10,414,606 [Democrat] 82% [Republican] 17%

Leviathan (Uncle Sam employs more people than you think)
National Review ^ | 02/03/2011 | Iain Murray
"...nearly 40 million Americans employed in some way by government."

Come to realize it, the Republican Party pretty much resembles the Democrat Party. It's time to switch to unaffiliated again. And may residential real property values fall to their real worth. An efficient house might be a better idea than another monster after all.


159 posted on 02/15/2015 2:27:11 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Anyone who has lived in an HOA neighborhood understands the petty politics involved,

I happily live with a HOA and for the life of me, I couldn't understand one damn word that article was sayin'..........Not a word.

160 posted on 02/15/2015 2:30:37 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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