Posted on 01/21/2015 9:36:01 PM PST by grundle
Birthers are evil people who say that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. The first birther was almost certainly Barack Obama.
From 1991 to 2007, his literary agents promoted him as being born in Kenya. The only plausible place they could have gotten his bio from is from Barack Obama himself. There was no Internet in 1991. When someone wants a bio, they say “write a short paragraph about yourself.” It is implausible that his bio came from anyone else, or that his agents would have wasted time trying to pull together information about some recently graduated college kid’s birthplace and background.
Miriam Goderich of Acton & Dystel says that she didn’t do adequate fact checking, but she never said whose facts it was she was checking.
So why would Obama lie about his birthplace? If you ask that question, progressives call you a birther. (Queue in the usual progressive scumbags.)
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And I suggest an ETHICS & TRUTH TELLING COURSE for you.
As the above article points out:
PolitiFact's Robert Farley added that a reporter named Will Hoover checked with newspaper officials and "confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health," with Hoover explaining, "That's not the kind of stuff a family member calls in and says, 'Hey, can you put this in?'" Farley then pondered, "Take a second and think about that. In order to phony those notices up, it would have required the complicity of the state Health Department and two independent newspapers -- on the off chance this unnamed child might want to one day be president of the United States."
Here you go...
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/74/mode/1up
You said Stanley Ann was counted in a different column. Which one were you referring to or were you just lying?
Your take is the same as mine. Skin color does make Obama a SE Asian conceived sperm baby and of that guru who mama Stanley Ann had a recorded fling with. Obama is a shill not only personally but by design of others such as Valerie Jarrett.
LOL! That is some serious handwaving.
You said:
“The mother Stanley Ann was counted in a different column, as a returning United States Citizen, so there was only ONE arriving from Kenya, the baby.”
In the document in question, the column titled “By Air - Citizens” shows “-”.
So the question is very simple, what column are you talking about? In answering bear in mind that an unnecessary wall of text just makes it look like you’re trying to avoid the question - simply the name of the column will suffice or, if that’s too difficult, count it off from left or right (e.g. third column from the left).
it's titled...
Citi-
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Kenya.................... 3
Thanks for the clear reply although it isnt very helpful. The image you are referencing is for the year ending June 1961 - before Obama was born. The table in question is for the year ending June 1962.
Here is the part of your post I responded to:
However, the contemporaneous birth announcement blows those theories out of the water in any case. Remember, Toot didnt place the announcement. The announcement appears in two separate papers, each containing the same list of babies in the same order.’
So I put up a post documenting that the two papers do not contain the same list of babies in the same order; one paper contained significantly more listings than the other. But now you say that’s irrelevant. The differing lists with a different number of announcements came from the same source, so that’s all that matters.
To ‘prove’ your point, you quote a reporter from Politifact. This Politifact:
‘PolitiFact now declares conservatives wrong three times more often than liberals. More pointedly, the journalism organization concludes that conservatives have flat out lied nine times more often than liberals.’
One reporter from a leftist political site claims he checked with unnamed newspaper ‘officials’ and you say the matter is resolved.
Your leftist Obot comrades must be so proud.
So this reporter when back to 1961, walked into the offices of both papers, laid cash on the counter and asked if he could place a birth announcement. Both papers told him to keep his $; they could ***only*** accept announcements from the Dept. of Health.
Well first off I flat don’t believe that. Secondly, I have yet to meet a birther who claims Obama’s family placed the ads in that way. Rather, as I would think you’d know, unless you are a newbie on this topic, most birthers believe Grannie Dunham registered Little Barry’s birth herself, likely as a home birth.
Why would we think that? Well first off, the address. If Stanley Ann had gone to a HI hospital to deliver the baby, she’d have given her own address, or at any rate her own address would have been used. Instead, the address used belongs to Grannie Dunham, but is not one at which either Stanley Ann or the baby EVER resided.
Second clue is that Abercrombie told his friend Evans that he could find no birth certificate on file for Obama. Yes, that’s what he told Evans. & Evans told the world’ Here is one such exchange:
‘Evans: Yesterday I talked to Neil. Said that he searched everywhere using all of his power as governor, looking at Kapiolani Women and Childrens Hospital and Queens Medical Center, where children were born back in that day. And he (Abercrombie) said, “Mike, there is no Barack Obama birth certificate.”
Announcer: Hes a foreigner! We knew it from the start!
Announcer #2: Well, I thought, I thought the holder of the certificate said it was locked up and she had seen it.
Evans: Well, the governor demanded to see it, went to the hospital, sent all of his people, with a search warrant, and he could not get it. Uh, there, hes really good friends to the President but he says, he thinks this could cause some problems during re-election.’
http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/Abercrombie.htm
But no need to hear it from Evans. Abercrombie said it himself. After vowing to find the LFBC and make it public, here is his exact statement:
‘It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...’
http://www.wnd.com/2011/01/252833/
So there was no BC. There was something ‘written down.’ It was written down as a result of Grannie Dunham registering a birth in HI that did not take place in HI. That is why she used an address in the announcement at which neither her daughter nor the baby had ever resided. & that is why they later had to fabricate a LFBC where none had previously existed. They made the mistake of fabricating a whole new race at the same time, but hey, no worries. An Obot will believe anything...as, evidently, will most anti-birthers.
The table/list is easily discernible in magnification and has been outlined in a red border.
Are you asking for something else in your question?
Of course it's mostly circumstantial evidence at this point, considering all of the obfuscation and deceit, but what isn't regarding the imposter? We are left with rather significant and complex research being conducted- best as possible, by lay folk operating against many of the powerful departments and branches of US government, from- the confines of their homes or elsewhere at their personal expense.
The papers got the announcements from the dept of health, not from the parents calling them up.
So the phoney baloney would be at the health dept, instigated by someone or some organization with a lot of money and power.
What we have are microfilms of the announcements as posted in the two papers.... with evidence that they’ve been messed with.
What we need are the hardcopies... isn’t there -anyone- born in Honolulu august 1961 with a hardcopy?
Especially if its got a notable persons name on it.
The papers got the announcements from the dept of health, not from the parents calling them up.’
We assume this is the case. So far I have seen no published policy enforced at both papers covering the year in question. The only source noted on the thread was a leftist reporter for Politifact, who claimed he had spoken with unnamed newspaper “officials.” Last I checked, newspapers had editors, not officials.
At any rate Little Barry’s birth was most likely reported by Grannie Dunham, using whatever method was popular back then to register a non-HI birth as a HI birth. Since it would then have been an officially reported birth, there would have been no need for her or anyone else to personally place the announcement in the paper, so the point is moot.
I agree with you about grannie submitting the “at-home” birth doc.
There’s still this point:
What we have are microfilms of the announcements as posted in the two papers.... with evidence that theyve been messed with.
What we need are the hardcopies... isnt there -anyone- born in Honolulu august 1961 with a hardcopy?
Especially if its got a notable persons name on it.
From the Obamafile:
‘Madelyn attended college at the University of Washington and then went to work on a bomber assembly line during WW II. After the war, she attended UC-Berkeley, worked various jobs on the Mainland. In 1960, when they came to the Islands, she joined the Bank of Hawaii. She also volunteered in [the] probate department of the Oahu Circuit Court House.’
I have seen it suggested that Grannie Dunham’s volunteer work at probate may have played a role in registering Little Barry’s birth. We likely will never know the details.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/Dunhams.htm
‘isnt there -anyone- born in Honolulu august 1961 with a hardcopy?’
Perhaps what you’re asking is, isn’t there any conservative with a hardcopy. Given the pervasive liberal-leanings of HI, the odds are low. If a liberal/Dem had a hardcopy that was damaging to Obama, it would almost certainly never see the light of day.
From the Sunday Advertiser on 13 August (larger version here):
And the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on 14 August:
Get busy!
I wonder if Eleanor Nordyke clipped either announcement.
Just for fun, here's another version of the Sunday Advertiser, taken from a different microfilm, allegedly at the LoC:
And here is the LoC's version of the Honolulu Star-Bulletin:
We see that the Libray of Congress microfilms are in much better shape than those in the Hawaii State Library. But both show the same information.
What we have are microfilms of the announcements as posted in the two papers.... with evidence that theyve been messed with.
Good luck proving that.
Still not seeing any announcement that lists Stanley Ann’s HI address. Just an address at which SA never lived. Nobody’s suggesting Madelyn Dunham actually birthed this child, are they? That would be a bit too weird for me, and for a lot of other people too.
Cynwoody, (ping to butterdezillion & Fantasywriter )
Thanks for posting those!
I defer to butterdezillion in regards to the details on the microfilms tampering.
A thought:
If someone does have the physical hardcopy original of their birth announcement, that shows the lines above and below it, they should video it & have a friend put it up on you tube.
Not all Democrats are happy with 0.
Some time before the ‘12 elections, Abercrombie had his people go on a search & they found only some hand written form in the dept of health archives.
There’s probably more Democrats unhappy now.
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