Posted on 12/18/2014 12:53:01 PM PST by Thistooshallpass9
The Center for Disease Control and Prevention made headlines this month after reporting that from 1999 to 2012, the number of drug overdose deaths in the United States more than doubled.
That is a sobering statistic, but it doesn’t reveal the true scope of the rising number of drug deaths or the true extent of America’s failure in the war on drugs...
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Wow, an apologist for Chairman Mao, posting on FR. Never thought I'd see the day.
And as far as the Kennedy reference goes, would you prefer that we go back to Prohibition and allow a latter-day 'Joe Kennedy' to enrich himself selling illegal alcohol?
Man, you Drug War Nazis never cease to amaze with your damned statist hypocrisy. You can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
My idea of dealing with drug dealers is to take the life out of their bodies.
They already do that to each other more effectively than our presumption of innocence jury system could ever do - but it doesn't deter them or their replacements. No help there.
Would you prefer the drug cartels be given license to operate freely in the USA?
Which part of "not" did you not understand? I prefer the drug cartels be driven out of the market by legitimate businessmen, as happened to the rumrunners when we legalized the drug alcohol.
I understand now, but did not before. It won’t happen again. I’m sorry.
No you don't. You just try to hide behind them to disguise your anarchist ideas. Free speech does not mean pornography. Freedom does not mean drugs.
You distort and malign the ideas they stood for.
Some were driven out of the alcohol market and some went legit - sounds like a win either way.
So you see no ill consequences from having immoral people like the Kennedy's legitimized? It's not like they did anything horrible to our form of government or anything, right?
Yeah, we need more criminal minded people to gain power and control in business and government instead of stomping on them when they are little cockroaches.
“If the drug abusers would just stop or go away...”
Yes, and if people just wouldn’t be selfish, Communism would work perfectly!
Wow. You saved me some time. I concur with every damn thing you wrote.
It is exactly the same level of success. It has managed to keep it tamped down to a low level, say around ~2% which it has been for the last 100 years or so.
and laws against murder don't put billions of dollars in profits in criminal hands.
You think so? I think laws against murder are pretty much the only thing keeping people like Bill Gates alive against the wishes of all the Windows users out there.
No, laws against murder protect billionaires even more than other people.
All Righty Then.
At what happens when the Cartels lose that trillion dollar marijuana pipeline to the US? Will they simply walk away saying; “Oh well.”
Nope. They will likely INCREASE lower priced untaxed dope into the US via the black market undercutting the legal stuff. To which the gubmint will simply walk away saying; “Oh well.” (sarc)
Or - worse - they will INCREASE the supplies of meth and heroin into the US. Forcing the pro-dopers like you to surrender on that front too.
Whatever the outcome - legalizing drugs will only INCREASE the War on Drugs.
And if you get what you think you want, that is exactly where we will all be.
You are just full of non sequiturs that really aren’t worth addressing, aren’t you?
“And don’t give me that sh1t heavy drugs are the same as alcohol, nobody’s buying that lie either.”
Well, in many cases they are the same as the most abused prescription drugs. Whether you get vicodin or oxycodone from your doctor, or buy “heroin” on the street, you may actually get the exact same chemical. If not, what you will get is so similar as to make little difference to the addict.
As your links establish, they had plenty of help - there's no reason to think that keeping them illegitimate would have stopped like-minded persons from doing the same things.
Yeah, we need more criminal minded people to gain power and control in business and government instead of stomping on them when they are little cockroaches.
You persist in the delusion that we do or can stomp many of them and that they aren't quickly replaced when stomped.
Or - worse - they will INCREASE the supplies of meth and heroin into the US. Forcing the pro-dopers like you to surrender on that front too.
Some people just don't have the intellectual heft to understand how this stuff worked out in the past.
They think all their ideas are new or something.
And you persist in the delusion that this patty cake game we've been playing with them is a "war on drugs." If we had fought it as an actual war, we would have gotten it over with a long time ago.
But we are still having murders. Is that a failure or a success?
It's orders of magnitude closer to success than drug criminalization
It is exactly the same level of success. It has managed to keep it tamped down to a low level, say around ~2%
You're one quarter of the way to supporting your claim - now you need fact-based numbers for the current level of murders and the levels murder and drug crimes would reach absent the laws against them. In the meantime, the numbers I've noted weigh against "the same level of success."
and laws against murder don't put billions of dollars in profits in criminal hands.
You think so? I think laws against murder are pretty much the only thing keeping people like Bill Gates alive against the wishes of all the Windows users out there.
No, laws against murder protect billionaires even more than other people.
Protecting billionaires has nothing to do with putting billions of dollars in profits in criminal hands.
Only if the legal stuff is too heavily taxed - nobody's doing any significant undercutting of the legal alcohol market.
Or - worse - they will INCREASE the supplies of meth and heroin into the US.
Neither cartels nor any seller of any goods can create demand by an act of will.
I think, if it ever came to that point, the cartels would not be able to compete with homegrown entrepreneurs. The cartels rely on killing the competition, not out-competing them in the marketplace.
Ah yes. But those same homegrown entrepreneurs would never be able to compete with the State and the IRS.
Can you imagine some nice quiet little couple trying to grow a few plants in the backyard for their own personal use?
Gubmint Storm Troopers would be conducting the same no-knock SWAT raids as they do now as possession of UNTAXED weed will be just as bad as them untaxed loosies in NYC.
Only if the legal stuff is too heavily taxed - nobody’s doing any significant undercutting of the legal alcohol market.
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Yeah? What about the legal tobacco market in New York City?
You’ve heard there is a problem there right?
And all this talk about legalization and the tax implications bring us to another point you liberals like to ignore.
And that is you ARE FOR legalization in large part for the taxes it brings in. Knowing that more taxes leads to bigger government USED to be a problem with you libertarians.
But no more, huh?
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