Letter: Trayvon Martin had the right to self-defense against racist attack

The Corvallis Gazette-Times ^ | September 24, 2014 | Max Mania

[2ndDivisionVet]

I was stunned by the anger and sarcasm Harry J. Mallory directed toward a dead teenager, Trayvon Martin, in the Sept. 17 letters.

It was over the top and then some (“Cartoon comparing Putin to Zimmerman case went too far”).

His reasoning seems pretty easy to understand: Trayvon was black; blacks are thugs; so all George Zimmerman did was create a “dead thug.” Sadly, this sort of (racism) seems pretty common among the far right these days.

Here’s what I remember: Trayvon Martin was simply walking home. George Zimmerman targeted him because he was black. Zimmerman followed Trayvon, even after being told not to. Zimmerman engaged Trayvon, and escalated the situation.

Zimmerman was the adult. Zimmerman had a gun. He targeted Trayvon, not the other way around. So how is anything that happened Trayvon’s fault?

Once Zimmerman started a violent confrontation, wasn’t Trayvon allowed to defend himself? Or do right-wingers consider people of color defending themselves “uppity”?

Several domestic and road rage incidents involving George Zimmerman since he killed Trayvon support the notion that he has, to say the least, anger management problems.

This absolutely supports the view that Trayvon Martin was a victim of George Zimmerman.

So, yeah, I can see the dark humor in a Zimmerman-Putin comparison.

A bully overreacting to a false threat that they themselves created? Sounds like a match to me.

Finally, how bizarre is it that a right-winger would be so upset at mocking Vladimir Putin? That’s the bleakest, darkest joke of all. A joke, yes, but not at all funny.

Max Mania

Corvallis

[tumblindice]

“Here’s what I remember,” Max Mania

Memories and witnesses are fallible. Lefties especially.

Forensic evidence is hard, but science is rarely wrong.

When one side won’t stipulate to facts in evidence and makes up facts, rational discussion is impossible.

[tumblindice]

facts *properly* in evidence

[Robwin]

There are several "Coos Bays" in the People's Republic of Oregon. You have to move eastward from the Willamette River corridor (the path of Interstate 5) to find much sanity in that hopelessly blue state.

Some of the smaller towns along the Pacific coast aren't too bad (touristy mostly) and as you move eastward beyond I-5 OR is rural and decent; but along I-5 are the major cities which contain the kooks and dominate OR politics (especially Portland and environs).

Are you aware of Portland's informal and popular slogan? It's "Keep Portland Weird". And they mean it.

[mosesdapoet]

If racial unrest follows Zimmerman jury decision, blame it on Activist Obama

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3042477/posts
This is reference to an editorial run in Canada Free Press. The Canadians got it right.! Too bad half of the so called conservatives talk show hosts I’ve been listening to can’t seem to be willing to connect the dots to what a heavy hand his imperious highness played in this example of socialist justice meted out to serve the policies of the state . Turning this into a show trial replete with wall to wall tv coverage.. Taking some poor guy of mixed race including black doing his job and painting a target on his back to fullfill a socialist agenda.

The truth and purpose behind the Zimmerman persecution .. The regime and the media set the premise for the trial narrative and their presentations ignoring the setting where the incident took place..An area having a “Neighborhood Watch” and the person working security just doing his job. Why was this episode politicized ?. To gin up the base for purposes explained herein ..

If some of those so called conservative talk show hosts had interviewed guests who run such watches and had the courage to fight PC and defend Zimmerman they would have exposed the regime and the media for the frauds they are. The few who are still “milking this” by accepting black callers. While they are commentators and not bonafide “newspersons” nothing was stopping them from offering the facts for discussion.

Allowing callers to mis-state the facts such as as Martin was “stalked” or Martin was “stopped” and “questioned” when there was no legal right to do so.If the aftermath of this insidious revisionist assult were investigated everyone of the perpetrators in this recent rash of racial killings would state they believe this is true. . Instead these hosts fail to cite the simple facts outlined and documented here, allow the callers miss-conceptions go unchallanged, or cite examples of policy or corruption let alone ask them what has Obama done for you? Or even dismiss them as unfortunately being used and deliberately mis-informed..

Particularly a “gated” neighborhood watch.When you enter one of these and start wandering around no matter if you are white, blue, red, green, or black. You can be asked your purpose for being there. You are on private property. And yes those on patrol can and do leave their vehicle and follow on foot if they lose sight of the person they’re observing..That’s the Watch Captain’s who is really a security guard’s job.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3054721/posts

The person of mixed race including black working security was attacked on private rights of way while on foot who discontinued an observation and was returing to his vehicle after being suggested by the police to do so.

Legally he could have approached Saint Trayvon but didn’t..The hooded tall figure was allowed to continue on his way.unimpeded. But didn’t. That figure turned out to be a Martin Trayvon who doubled back and attacked the “neighborhood watch” worker as he was returing to his vehicle. Knocked him to the ground and began beating him severly. Saint Trayvon, the attacker, was subsequently killed in a struggle over the Neighborhood Watchman’s legal pistol.

Both were dark skined and could “pass” as cousins.

The facts of this case are still being shamefully being concealed by the media to the extent they are advancing and are complicit in permitting a putrid injstice of the worst order,organized and instituted by our governent, to be committed .

While denied. It began as a miscalculation when a surname of a Jewish origin shot up and lighted the heavens like a star shell in the darkest of nights. It would have been difused if the media used pictures of both side by side because they look like cousins. And the area where this occured of paycheck to paycheck struggling homeowners of all races trying to protect themselves had been reported and not some ritzy all white enclave.they portrayed..

Worse yet the media is still pilling it on with ABC editing a a black jury members (remember when they were all white)t remarks to make it sound like she accused Zimmerman of murder .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3048225/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3048631/posts

The result as we have seen is that another marxist axiom (division) has been implemented which has resulted with gangs of black youths murdering happless whites and “hispanics” who happen into areas usually where a black population is the majority. Those media outlets who by their delberate misuse of the instrument of the 1st amendment are just as complicit in those deaths as the regime is.

Particularly the black media which had the duty but not the obligation to verify and report factually. But instead quoted the reports from various “mainlining” socialist media sources: Some examples here all of which serve the first purpose of selecting Zimmerman as the target. What is the result ?

Black youths believing they would get top level peer approval began attacking happless white and hispanics which may have wandered into their area which resulted in murders or serious injury and some cases stalked their white victims.

In reality these victims are martyrs to the cause of American socialism.,and the political opposition says nothing..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3050362/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051180/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053410/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3054544/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3051488/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053620/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053643/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053332/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051525/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051108/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3050590/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3049789/posts

What could the purpose be ?

What better way to cover up Bengahzi, Fast and furious, IRS, Wind and Solar panel gate, NSA spying on US, Over-riding the constittution? Don’t look into who accompaines Obama on his many trips around the world at taxpayer expence ? Were they the heavy hitters or their friends holding the president’s hand isn’t that pay back at US taxpayer expence?. Isn’t that an impeachable offense ??

Now if somebody even suggests impeachment. Get to your black base voters, whom you’ve done nothing for,.all worked up. Pick on some security guard who’s doing his job. Accuse him of being racist ,even though he is part black..

But his last name sounds “jewish.”Who’s doing surveilance in an mixed race area of modest means a where there’s been robberies and burgalries by young blacks. Now call that surveilance stalking, the area he’s patrolling owned by rich whities,and the guard of course he’s white.

That person he’s watching a 10 year old black kid and a saint ,not six foot two 160 pound 16 year old, who gets killed fighting over a gun. . Now paint a target on the security guards back .Ain’t that neat ? What better way to discourage any investigation into malfeasance and corruption by organizing the base for riots in the streets ? Think it’s too far fetched ? Think it’s not working ? Look again http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3051558/posts

[Yosemitest]

Home schooling is the ONLY way to go.

Start with teaching your children the FACTS that liberals despise.

Its like "Holy Water" against these "life-sucking", "life-destroying" vampires.

First show them that

"Fulton abandoned the kid when he was 3.
His step-mother brought him up.
The father moved on to woman 3.
12 years later she DUMPED him back on Fulton.

The step-mother said
he didn't use bad language when he was with her
so we can surmise he went wild with Fulton.
She identified his scream in court, but she had no way of knowing.
They pushed the step-mother into the shadows, the only real mother he ever knew."

Then show your children these links:

Trayvon should NOT have told George Zimmerman:
while trying to grab George Zimmerman’s gun ... saying, “tonight you die, ************”’
Trayvon should NOT have gone for George Zimmerman's handgun.

Trayvon should NOT have pinned George Zimmerman down on the ground.

Trayvon should NOT have broken George Zimmerman’s nose.

Trayvon should NOT have given George Zimmerman two black eyes.

Trayvon should NOT have repeatedly slammed George Zimmerman’s head on the pavement.

Trayvon should NOT have gotten suspended from school for possessing traces of marijuana.

Trayvon should NOT have stolen 12 pcs of ladies jewelry, and a man’s watch.

Trayvon should NOT have kept a flat head screwdriver described as “a burglary tool”, in his backpack.

Trayvon should NOT have had a criminal past of theft, hiding and acting suspicious.

Trayvon should NOT have encouraged ... fellow thugs to commit murder with the tweet, “Plzz shoot da #mf dat lied 2 u!”.




Trayvon should NOT have had a police record FOIA Sunlight And More Trayvon Martin Police Records.

Trayvon should NOT have had Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin for parents, who didn't discipline their unruly son, when he needed it.
Then they refused to admit to themselves, at each step along the way toward this disaster, that their son, Trayvon Martin, had a real problem and needed professional help!

Had the situation been handled different by Trayvon Martin, he might still be alive.
For instance, what if it had gone like null and void suggested ?



TRAYVON MARTIN: - Hey, are you following me?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: - Ummm, yes.

TRAYVON MARTIN: - May I ask why?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: - Well, uh, we've had a number off robberies in this neighborhood lately, and I don't recognize you...

TRAYVON MARTIN: - Oh, well, I'm Travon Martin, I'm spending the summer at my uncle's in unit 12. I expect you'll see a lot of me this summer.

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: - OK, thanks, good to know. I'm George Zimmerman, by the way.

They shake hands.



TRAYVON MARTIN: - No, thank you for keeping an eye out for your neighbors!


But, NO !
It DID NOT go that way.

That should be a good start , and that should drive those VILE teachers into insanity.

[JennysCool]

It all comes down to the nature of low-information people. They hear half a story, or the very early telling of a story, and get upset and foam at the mouth about it. In time, when the full story comes out and shows their initial reaction was clearly wrong, they simply can’t take it, and build up ever more absurdities to show themselves and the world that they were “right all along.” It becomes a matter of pride. My guess is that a good half of the country is like this. These are the same people who think Obama can’t be wrong because they voted for him.

[JennysCool]

some days I think half the country is living in some sort of alternative reality

You're so right. See my #26.

[JennysCool]

I should add that this description clearly includes members of the mainstream media as well.

[a fool in paradise]

George Zimmerman is a “creepy ass” cracker (or creepy “ass cracker”) who should’ve “just accepted his beatdown”.

[joethedrummer]

“...Once Zimmerman started a violent confrontation,...”

Stop right there.

ZIMMERMAN didn’t start ANY confrontation. He simply FOLLOWED Martin to see what he was up to.

It was MARTIN who started the “violent confrontation” when he jumped Zimmerman.

-So much for his “right to defend himself”. That now goes to George Zimmerman.

Article = FAIL.

[Mustangman]

Of course Zimmerman was within his rights. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t being creepy. Zimmerman was just some dude as far as Martin was concerned. It’s not like Zimmerman had a badge or some formal ID. Although I’m still not convinced Martin was doing anything truly suspicious, I agree that Martin was ultimately in the wrong when he attacked Zimmerman. With that said, I will never think of Zimmerman as anything more than an overzealous cop want-to-be who’s lack of training got him way too deep into a situation he could not handle.

[Cementjungle]

Once Zimmerman started a violent confrontation, wasn’t Trayvon allowed to defend himself?

Zimmerman didn't start a violent confrontation, Trayvon started with the violence.

[Iscool]

There’s was enough information and coverage about this that that no one, least of all a reporter, could come up with a story like this which is blatantly lying in face of the facts...

That his lying rant got published in a newspaper reported as some kind of truth is what shocks me...

[2ndDivisionVet]

Did you watch even a minute of the trial, especially those days that Trayvon’s gal pal Rachel Jeantel was on the witness stand?

[2ndDivisionVet]

Same as Austin. And they mean it, too. We were just there in April. What a funny farm.

[2ndDivisionVet]

He’s on the City Council?! Of course he is!

Sounds and looks “East-Coast-ish” even though now residing in Oregon to me.

[BookmanTheJanitor]

http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20130805/NEWS/130809971/max-mania-resigns-from-port-angeles-city-council

even more on this guy (and his wife)....oh boy

[Hot Tabasco]

Zimmerman followed Trayvon, even after being told not to.

I thought Zimmerman had broken off and was heading back to his truck when Trayvon headed back and confronted Zimmerman. Am I wroing?

[Mustangman]

I saw the trial. I agree Martin was the aggressor.

[2ndDivisionVet]

You are correct. Look upstream at the author’s photo and short bio.