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DUers angry at new Hepatitis C drug that costs less than 1/6 as much as a liver transplant
wordpress ^ | July 25, 2014 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 07/25/2014 1:58:19 PM PDT by grundle

Democratic Underground posters get angry at new Hepatitis C drug that costs less than 1/6 as much as a liver transplant

Hepatitis C is a an infectious disease that, in the U.S., kills more people than AIDS.

Some patients require a liver transplant which costs an average of $577,000.

However, a new drug for the disease just came on the market. It’s called Sovaldi, and it costs $84,000 for a 12 week course of treatment.

Taking this drug lets patients avoid getting a liver transplant.

Those of us who understand math think that this is a wonderful thing. Spending $84,000 instead of $577,000 is a huge savings.

I think it’s great that this new drug has been invented.

However, for some weird reason which I do not understand, many of the people at Democratic Underground have nothing but hatred and contempt for Gilead Sciences, the company that invented this drug. In this thread, someone says:

“that’s just despicable… Big Pharma should be ashamed of itself.”

In this other thread, the following comments were made:

“That is utterly obscene…. Remarkable greed.”

“Disgusting and obscene!”

“holding the ill hostage….criminal”

“Bloodsuckers. Put them in the stockades and offer them Freedom for a price.”

“‘Get a rope!’ I mean seriously, what do these monsters have to do?”

“Those behind this sort of maneuver are mass murderers. Using price to deny life saving drugs is no different that standing people against a wall and shooting them, except that there’s no current profit incentive to do that or they’d find some way to do it now.”

“people will die due to no access”

“Big Pharma = criminal enterprises!”

The people making those comments have zero understanding of or appreciation for how incredibly hard it is to invent a new pharmaceutical drug.

I have a tremendous amount of admiration and respect for the people who invented this new drug.

One legitimate point raised in this other thread is that a full course treatment of the drug in Egypt only costs $900. But there is a very valid explanation for this, and it has to do with the nature of intellectual property. Creating a new piece of intellectual property can be very expensive. For example, it can cost more than $100 million to make a new movie. But once that new piece of intellectual property has been created, it can be very cheap to manufacture copies of it. So, for example, a DVD of a movie can be manufactured for less than a dollar.

When people in the U.S. pay $84,000 for the drug, they are helping to pay for the very high cost of the research and development that went into inventing it. By comparison, when people in Egypt pay only $900, they are only paying for the cost of manufacturing it.

Any idiot can manufacture a copy of a drug that was invented by someone else.

But it takes a visionary, creative genius, or, oftentimes, an entire team of them, to invent a new drug as groundbreaking as this one.

Eventually, the patent on this drug will expire, and a far cheaper generic version will be available in the U.S. But until that happens, we need to let this company make huge profits from the drug, so it will have the means, as well as the incentive, to invent more new drugs in the future.

Another thing that I have noticed is that the people who get mad at the cost of this new drug, never get mad at the far higher cost of a liver transplant. Why is that? If it’s wrong to charge $84,000 for this drug, then why is OK to charge $577,000 for a liver transplant?

Apparently, these people at Democratic Underground would prefer that this new drug had simply never been invented.

I love civilization. I love technology. I love innovation. The people who invented this new drug deserve praise, not criticism.

 



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1 posted on 07/25/2014 1:58:19 PM PDT by grundle
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2 posted on 07/25/2014 2:03:46 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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Don’t blow an artery, DU!

There are more effective and cheaper new drugs on the way.


3 posted on 07/25/2014 2:04:05 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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If liberals don't like the price charged by Gilead for Sovaldi, let them develop their own. It is a tribute to the free market that biotech companies are able to develop such miracle cures. Communist countries sure don't.

I own Gilead shares indirectly and one of the reasons I invest in biotech is that I am willing to take the huge risk required for them to develop such drugs. And I expect Gilead to charge what the market will bear.

Among the risks that Gilead is taking is that another biotech firm may come along with another miracle cure before Gilead recovers its cost on Sovaldi.

4 posted on 07/25/2014 2:05:28 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: grundle
They're just mad because they have a mental disorder and there is no drug or surgery that will treat it.

Articles that explain how modern liberals suffer from a mental disorder.


5 posted on 07/25/2014 2:06:06 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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DUmmies - how many drugs do you think would be developed if the pharmaceutical companies were forced to take a loss on them?

I know, I know - the gov’t should develop them, right?

And you think these type of drugs would be developed with no profit motive? Yeah. Sure.


6 posted on 07/25/2014 2:06:55 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: grundle

It’s just that ol’ DU “gibsmedat” mentality!


7 posted on 07/25/2014 2:08:43 PM PDT by glennaro
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Why Liberal Reject Rational Thought (3 minute video that was quoted by Coulter and Hannity)
8 posted on 07/25/2014 2:09:33 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: grundle

Leftism made worse through homosexualism.

Not that they’d ever do anything to prevent it, but these ‘liberals’ had better hope islamists never get the chance to vent their full wrath on them.


9 posted on 07/25/2014 2:09:57 PM PDT by onedoug
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You have pointed out the KEY POINT -- the people of the United States are a generous people. I get so upset about the liberal nonsense about "we are using more than our share of world resources." If the US and its free market/capitalist economic system didn't exist, the world would still have a small elite and the rest scratching a mere existence (per Hobbes).

When people in the U.S. pay $84,000 for the drug, they are helping to pay for the very high cost of the research and development that went into inventing it. By comparison, when people in Egypt pay only $900, they are only paying for the cost of manufacturing it.

America has provided so many benefits to a world that doesn't appreciate it.
10 posted on 07/25/2014 2:10:54 PM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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You would think that the DU would be jumping with joy with the opportunity to have American Citizens subsidize the Egyptian’s.


11 posted on 07/25/2014 2:10:54 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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'When people in the U.S. pay $84,000 for the drug, they are helping to pay for the very high cost of the research and development that went into inventing it. By comparison, when people in Egypt pay only $900, they are only paying for the cost of manufacturing it.'

That's not exactly true. Part of the price reflects that it is illegal to import such a drug from Egypt.

While Egypt probably has laws on their books that tells the company, if you wanna have business here, you will provide a low price.

Every business has intellectual property rights and claims, yet they someone how find a way to sell in markets and make a profit. Don't use such a odd claim that innovation and advancement can only be advanced by restricting trade and market forces.

Part of the ever increasing prices in health care reflects the anti competing barriers in pharmaceuticals and health services. Enforcing Sherman, Clayton and Robinson-Patman Acts would be a nice start.

12 posted on 07/25/2014 2:12:45 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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not only does it not require/cost a liver transplant, it also doesn’t require /cost the person to be on anti-tissue rejection drugs forever after.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 2:13:07 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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The same Dummies would be outraged if the drug company decided to charge the same in every country (even ignoring the threats of IP theft many countries engage in to shift the cost to US patients) and sold the drug for $83,000 here and in Egypt, Canada, Brazil and a dozen countries ending in -stan. They would be stomping both left feet at how the imperialist US is depriving starving third world urchins of this drug.
14 posted on 07/25/2014 2:14:03 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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Well, I predict a lot of people will fly to some other country (not necessarily Egypt) and stay there 12 weeks for treatment for a lot less than 84,000.


15 posted on 07/25/2014 2:16:07 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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DUmmies refuse to see the forest from the trees in terms of the root causes with the cost of this particular drug. At least a toddler's tantrum subsides;DUmmies on the other hand...
16 posted on 07/25/2014 2:17:52 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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FWIW, there are many "Big Pharma" haters on this site so lets wait till they drop in and see what they've got to say...........LOL!

My argument has always been, if you've just experienced a massive heart attack, is your first question to the emergency room attendents going to be "How much is this going to cost me?" and your second question "Can I get a second opinion?".......

17 posted on 07/25/2014 2:21:29 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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“Liberals” are the most nihilistic, self-destructive, and self-loathing individuals I have ever had the displeasure of having to deal with. Liberalism IS TRULY a mental disorder, and you cannot convince me otherwise.
18 posted on 07/25/2014 2:24:08 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: mason-dixon

” If the US and its free market/capitalist economic system didn’t exist, the world would still have a small elite and the rest scratching a mere existence”

I actually think they would prefer that world.


19 posted on 07/25/2014 2:24:14 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: PJ-Comix

Ping


20 posted on 07/25/2014 2:25:40 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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