Posted on 05/13/2014 5:52:30 AM PDT by JOHN W K
You’re right. This is foolishness. We need to do what you say, because you are so successful at getting the low-information voters to understand and obey.
Delaware residents, who voted overwhelmingly for President Barack Obama in 2012, get 50 cents in federal funding for every $1 in federal income taxes they pay.
Mississippi 55.5% for Mitt Romney cashes in with $3.07 in federal funding for every dollar paid in income taxes.
Those findings come from a new analysis by WalletHub. The personal finance social network crunched returns on taxes paid to the federal government, federal funding as a percent of state revenue and the number of federal employees per capita to conclude that Red States are altogether more reliant on federal funding than Blue States.
That often correlates to lower state taxes. The more dependent a state is on the federal government, the less likely it is to charge high tax rates, Wallethub says.
Some of the results correspond with a recent study by the Tax Foundation, which showed that federal aid accounted for 45.8% of Mississippis revenue, ranking it first. The Magnolia state also has among the lowest tax burdens in the nation.
Of course, there are exceptions. Kansas, for instance, gets back less than it sends to the federal government. Some 60% of the states voters favored Mr. Romney.
The above map shows one WalletHub metric: how many dollars in federal funding state taxpayers receive for every one dollar in federal income taxes they pay. The figures exclude loans and guarantees
Which States Take the Most From the U.S. Government? (Mar 27, 2014 WSJ Business )
Add in: two Air Force bases, numerous ICBM facilities, Miles of Federal highway, Ag subsidies, Red River Flood aid, a National Park in two units, and a smattering of other odds and ends with a relatively low population and North Dakota supposedly takes in more than it pays in income taxes, too (although that may have changed a mite with the oil boom).
It all depends on how the money is spent, and what counts.
Keep in mind its Federal spending per federal tax revenue, probably just the difference between the two..
So Maryland and VA gets a hell of a lot of $$$ in Federal contracts but they pay much more taxes than Mississippi does, but Mississippi gets lots in food stamps compared to what they pay in Federal taxes.
That’s the argument(usually by Dems) .
Never heard (say) Heritage Foundation debunk it,
I am always skeptical without a breakdown of how its computed (like a spreadsheet)
If I was a GOP governor who turned down the medicaid expansion I sure would want that funding cut ASAP.
“Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures ? I havent. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his liberty amendments.
You are a flat out liar and I doubt that you even listen to Mark Levin.
I used to have some modicum of respect for “The New American” as a publication, however that respect has transitioned to disrespect. The John Birch Society’s attack on Mark is unexcusable. You’d fit right in with them.
“Because it opens up the bill of rights to be re-written by the lefts own fair hand.”
Not true. The state representatives are subjected to being “recalled” back to the state if they vary from the proscribed mission of the state that sent them. In addition, any ammendment that makes it out of the convention of the states, still needs approval of 3/4’s of the states to become part of the constitution.
A convention of the states is only a method for proposing ammendments. In that respect, it is no different than Ammendments that originate in Congress. The advantage is that the States can propose Ammendments and the congress MUST send those Ammendments to the States for approval.
DC will not fix itself. It is time for the States to take back their authority.
“An amendment can also repeal an existing amendment, the way the 21st Amendment repealed the 18th Amendment (prohibition).”
True. Now, where would those Ammendments originate? The constitution calls for 2 methods for Ammendment proposals. They can come from Congress, or from an Article 5 Convention of the States.
Both must still be ratified by 3/4’s of the States.
Now, do you think that Congress will propose the abolishment of the 17th Ammendment? When is Congress going to propose the balance budget amendment? How about the abolition of the IRS ammendment?
If you are honest, you would admit that none of the fixes we need will originate in Congress. That leaves it to the States!
“1) The convention of the states succeeds and we get the amendments that restore our Republic.
2) It fails in which case weve lost nothing and we continue our decline with a second amendment solution as our backstop.
Its a win/win either way.”
You are correct and actually it is an advantage to try EVERY option available before we move to your point number 2. It is incumbent upon us to exhaust all peaceful means to reinstating liberty. Until we exhaust all options, we CAN NOT enforce the 2nd Ammendment in good moral standing.
So, if Article 5 is successful, then we have saved many lives. If it fails, then we have saved our conscious!
“The fairtax [H.R.25] proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor, while keeping alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other “incomes”.”
You truly are a flat out liar. I am astounded at your purposeful LYING!
No offense intended, but I believe I have learned far more about the Constitution, liberalism and conservatism from Levin than I have from any self-proclaimed expert...
“John, I grow weary of your ignorance on this and other issues.”
I think you are being much too nice in your commenting to this person. His “ignorance” is purposeful. It is bold face LYING and I am shocked that it is allowed to continue on FR.
At first I thought it was ignorance, but then after the subjects began to expand I realized that there is no possible way that any FReeper could be that uninformed about EVERY subject. Only a purposeful LIAR would be making such posts.
Ah, the irony of that statement.
And by "educate yourselves", they mean "Buy all of Mark Levin's books and listen to all his radio shows, and accept 100% of what he says as gospel truth, without question. Disagreeing with ANY position he takes means you hate America, the constitution, and the founding fathers."
I like listening to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage from time-to-time, but fortunately I can't think for myself and don't regard every word that comes out of their mouths as brilliant scholarly constitutional wisdom.
And by "educate yourselves", they mean "Buy all of Mark Levin's books and listen to all his radio shows, and accept 100% of what he says as gospel truth, without question. Disagreeing with ANY position he takes means you hate America, the constitution, and the founding fathers."
I like listening to Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage from time-to-time, but fortunately I can think for myself and don't regard every word that comes out of their mouths as brilliant scholarly constitutional wisdom.
However I will make a slight correction to your comment in bold.
“No offense intended, but I believe I have learned far more about the Constitution, liberalism and conservatism from Levin than I have from any other self-proclaimed expert...”
Maybe that's because he has a radio program that you listen to.
Williams was a WI state rep, public school teacher, and black. She was disgusted with what poor kids had to put up with.
Landmark Legal defend her in WI and Scotus affirmed the constitutionality of vouchers in 1998. Pretty cool, eh?
You truly are a flat out liar. I am astounded at your purposeful LYING!
CSM,
You forgot to explain how I am lying. The irrefutable fact is, H.R. 25 proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor, while keeping alive Congress power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes.
If I am in error, explain how I am in error rather than posting an unsubstantiated insulting remark.
JWK
If we can make 51 percent of Americas population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along withFREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of Americas productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obamas Marxist Free Cheese Democracy, which is designed to establish a federal dictatorship and redistribute the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.
JWK
If the people want to take back their government, then they must rise to the occasion. But to think those who now hold political power at the federal and state level will work in the people's best interest if a convention were called, is to believe the fox can be trusted to care for Americas chickens.
sol, I was aware of and was following Levin and his Landmark Legal Foundation before he had a radio program.
Fact is, I've made a few contributions to Landmark Legal Foundation because of their solid accomplishments in public interest litigation.
Levin was also a regular poster on Free Republic, by the way. Went by the screen name Hold On Now...
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