RED RIVER RUMBLE? BLM Wants to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchers’ Land!

Americas Freedom Fighters ^ | April 11, 2014 | Clark Kent

[Texas Fossil]

The Red River is the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma…or is it?

Byers, Texas along the Red River — The BLM stole 140 acres of the Tommy Henderson ranch thirty years ago. They took his land and paid him absolutely nothing. He sued and lost. Now the BLM is using that court case as precedent to do it again. The problem is, the land they want to seize is property that ranchers have a deed for and have paid taxes on for over a hundred years.

The BLM claims that about 90,000 acres (116 miles along the Red River) have never belonged to Texas in the first place. They will seize the land and it will seriously change the boundaries between the two states.

Avulsion versus Accretion

 

Since 1803 when the Louisiana Purchase was completed, there has been a controversy over the boundary between Oklahoma and Texas. The boundary is supposed to be the vegetation line on the south side of the Red River. But the River has moved over time. The problem is the definition of that boundary line- Oklahoma and Texas each use different semantics to define it. And the BLM is finding ways to use the disputed words to give them the ability to seize the land.

According to the BLM, the Red River is always Accretion (gradual accumulation of sediment) to the south, and always Avulsion (rapid formation of a new river channel) to the north. So according to the BLM, the boundary only moves one direction, never in the direction that favors the ranchers. They are looking to re-draw the entire portion of the Red River boundary. That includes 90,000 acres of land along a 116 mile stretch of the river.

“BLM officials believe they have a responsibility to manage land they believe is federal which includes an estimated 90,000 acres along 116 miles of the Red River. If land is found to be public, BLM officials say they have three options: leave the land open, closed, or open with limitations.” January 2014

Public input ignored?

Land that has been in the families of ranchers is to be seized as “public lands” that would be subject to fees or blocked off entirely from rancher’s use. Or in some cases, moving the boundary line over to Oklahoma, where Texas ranchers can lose their rights to the lands that they have owned for more than a century. The BLM had open meetings back in January to “take input” from the public …but they are moving forward with their plan to seize the land anyway. There was likely never any intention of actually listening to the rancher’s stand.

The taking of property from land owners, the stealing of cattle, all of these things are apparently the modus operandi of the Bureau of Land Management. There are no tortoises involved in this incident, just land-grabbing feds who are intent to take away the property of ranchers that have owned it for hundreds of years. Will it come to armed confrontation as is occurring in Nevada? We don’t know.

Open grazing of cattle has always been a common law right in America. It is time for the American people to rise up against the theft of private lands and property by a government that is out of control. Ranchers have contact Texas Representative Mac Thornberry for assistance. We will monitor this situation as it progresses.

[JRandomFreeper]

I pray that no person even gets a hang-nail from any resolution to this. Reasonable people need to prevail, and put the federal thugs to heel.

/johnny

[Mich Patriot]

"If BLM thinks Nevada was bad, just wait till they face the Texan/Oklahoma group. They ain’t seen nothin’ yet."

Even a finance guy from Michigan knows that.

[greeneyes]

So you are saying that the river changes course and in the example, the increased land on the south belongs to the southern rancher, and the rancher to the north just loses some acreage?

That is my understanding of what is generally true, but I could see that there might have been some provision in the deed so that each Rancher would maintain the same acreage.

Point is what does it have to do with the Fed? The land belongs to the Ranchers be it the guy on the northern side or the guy on the southern side. Fedizilla has no claim to any land, if the deed references the red river as the boundary.

[Gadsden1st]

Look for a No Fly Zone next.

[null and void]

They need the shootin’ war to “temporarily” suspend the Constitution and elections.

[JouleZ]

Here’s another link to gov’t over-reach…..using drones to spy on American citizens because they “thought” they were stealing cattle. Not guilty BTW. Big Brother is watching.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548572/North-Dakota-rancher-U-S-citizen-jailed-thanks-evidence-Predator-drones-caught-pictures-family-armed-stand-police.html

[JRandomFreeper]

3 of my grandchildren are the children of a first generation American (former E-4) whose parents were refugees from Pol-Pot's killing fields.

There doesn't need to be a shooting war here. Rational people need to bring the dogs of war to heel.

But if it does happen, Katy bar the door.

/johnny

[greeneyes]

Interesting that loggers can’t have jobs because of the spotted owl, but solar companies can kill any and all birds that happen to get entangled.

[B4Ranch]

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[null and void]

And who is Sec State today?

[JRandomFreeper]

DC is a long way away. The Red River is right up the road.

/johnny

[scrabblehack]

The Red River Boundary Compact was approved by the legislatures of Texas, Oklahoma, and the United States Congress.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/NR/htm/NR.12.htm

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(b) The permanent political boundary line between the states of Texas and Oklahoma along the Red River is the vegetation line along the south bank of the Red River except for the Texoma area, where the boundary does not change. For purposes of this compact:
(1) the Texoma area extends from the east bank of Shawnee Creek (which flows into the Red River from the south approximately one-half mile below the Denison Dam) at its mouth to the upper end of the normal pool elevation of Lake Texoma (which is 617 feet); and
(2) the upper end of the normal pool elevation of Lake Texoma is along the latitude of 33 degrees 54 minutes as it crosses the watercourse at the approximate location of longitude 96 degrees 59 minutes.

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Byers is not in the area of Lake Texoma.

[null and void]

Are they? The man who enabled the murders of millions of millions in SE Asia wants an encore. His boss wants it to happen on US soil. His mentor, the guy in his neighborhood, the one he barely met, in whose living room he launched his political career, Bill Ayres, openly advocated murdering 25 million Americans.

[greeneyes]

Thanks for the link.

[greeneyes]

Thanks for the link.

[JRandomFreeper]

That's pretty far off-topic from a Red River boundary dispute.

/johnny

[greeneyes]

Whatever it is I’ll bet Texans have more all by themselves, and then there’s the Okies stash.

[greeneyes]

I think you are right.

[greeneyes]

LOL. I’m a retired finance gal from Missouri. My Daddy grew up on a farm, armed to the teeth, and not too concerned about what the government thought they could make him do - kinda like Texans if you know what I mean.

[Tammy8]

That article is not dated right, the Laney issue was about 10 years ago. The government has been doing this sort of thing for years, environmentalists have been in bed with the government and using every excuse under the sun.