Posted on 03/02/2014 3:59:10 PM PST by Errant
As the book of the Revelation comes to a close, we are left with some very important words. Keep his commandments, know his Torah, and make yourself ready to be the bride of the King. He is coming quickly. Join Michael Rood for the final episode in the series From Here to Eternity – Yeshua’s Famous Last Words: Amen, Emet, Truth.
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True until they turned to the Gentiles, and Saul/Paul was appointed the Apostle to the Gentiles. He always went to the Jew first. He also went to the Greeks/Gentiles. Your desire that all nonJewish believes be secret descendants of so-called lost tribes of the Northern Kingdom separated after Solomon, is not taught in the Scripture, not part of Apostolic / Early Church traditions that we received, and was certainly adopted by Mormons, British Israel followers, and others who feel making themselves Jewish will bring them closer to God (which is false). If you were born to Jewish parents and believe on Yeshua, be at liberty to keep any law or tradition you can that does not conflict with the entire Canon. If you were born a Gentile, remain a Gentile and feel free to do the same but do not cast a stumbling block before Jew or Gentile; beware of cults and heresies, and those who deceive for money
An example of the filth that comes from the followers of Rood. Does anyone doubt the spirit that inspires such filth in a response? Would that be the spirit you want to follow or even give credible dilogue with?
Hey CryingBear,
Rood doesn't have followers, even a moron cavebear ought to be able to figure that out by now. Rood is only one cog in the Hebrew Roots movement.
So for the umpteenth time, STOP your lying...
If you read Hebrew you already understand a large portion of Aramaic, many verses in the Tanakh were originally written in Aramaic as well.
The AENT has the oldest Aramaic text available today. You will discover how the meaning of an entire verse can easily be altered by a translation, for example; the Greek "Kurios" is often rendered as "Lord", however there is both "LORD" (the Father) and "Lord" (the Son), which the translator must choose. However the Father (YHWH) and Son are clearly distinguished in Aramaic, there is no confusion about the speaker or Who is being addressed.
Mashiyach (Messiah) was and is revealed in ancient Hebrew and Aramaic terms that are nonexistent in Greek, therefore, Greek translators were forced to coin Greek terms or try to make existing ones fit. In many cases original meaning was lost. Aramaic has direct Hebrew cognates that flow between the Hebrew Tanakh (Old Testament) into the New Testament that provide a much more precise understanding. Within the AENT these rare and important Aramaic terms are explained in detailed footnotes and appendixes for the reader.
In many cases the Aramaic English New Testament corrects and harmonizes verses that otherwise seem contradictory in other Bibles. There are plenty of examples in the various New Testament translations that reveal Greek cultural and modern religious bias which eventually became part of the "Gospel". The AENT, however, employed a diverse group of scholars and Bible students from Christian and Jewish backgrounds who scrutinized the text, with the objective to keep this translation as devoid as possible of any theological bias.
http://hebrewnewtestament.com/
While it can easily shown that Hebrew was a spoken language in Israel during the time of Y'shua, there are no Hebrew New Testament manuscripts available today that indicate an original Hebrew autograph. All Hebrew New Testament Bibles have either been translated from Greek or Aramaic texts. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts, translated into Hebrew from Greek, are dated to the 15th Century.1
Alister McGrath, former Professor of Historical Theology at the University of Oxford, asserts that the 1st century Jewish followers of Y'shua were faithful religious Jews therefore also fluent in Hebrew. They only differed from contemporaries in Judaism because of their acceptance of Y'shua as Messiah. As Christianity grew throughout the Gentile world, Christians were completely severed from their Jewish roots.
The original Netzari (Nazarene) Jewish based faith fell into rapid decline due to the Jewish-Roman wars (66-135) and the growing anti-Judaism that is best personified by Marcion in the 2nd century. And with help from the Roman Emperor Constantine in the 4th century the Netzarim (original followers of Y'shua) faded quietly into an underground movement in the fifth century. Gentile based Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, however, while the Gospel was travelling West in Greek it was also advancing East in Aramaic.
Although Hebrew is known as the kadosh lashon (holy tongue), the language of most of the Tanakh (Old Testament), Aramaic is also used in the Tanakh and was employed for Jewish commentaries and, the Talmud (Oral law) and, numerous Jewish writings, simply because Aramaic was used widely within the Jewish world.
Modern Hebrew script is based on the "square" letter form, known as Ashurit (Assyrian), developed from Aramaic script. There is little doubt that at a certain point in history, Hebrew was displaced as the everyday spoken language of most Jews, and that its chief successor in the Middle East was the closely related Aramaic.
Scholars are divided on the exact dating of that transition, a majority of scholars follow Geiger and Dalman, that Aramaic became a spoken language in the land of Israel as early as by the start of Israel's Hellenistic Period in the 4th century BCE. And, from that period Hebrew began to function less as a spoken language and more as the holy tongue. Segal, Klausner, and Ben Yehuda are notable exceptions to this viewpoint. During the latter half of the 20th century, accumulating archaeological evidence and linguistic analysis of the Dead Sea Scrolls that view has been challenged. The Dead Sea Scrolls, uncovered in 1946-1948 near Qumran, revealed a proliferation of ancient Jewish texts in Hebrew, and far less texts in Aramaic. The Qumran scrolls may indicate that Hebrew texts were readily understandable to the average Israeli and that the language had evolved since Biblical times as spoken languages do.
Recent scholarship suggests that archeology which indicates Jews were speaking Aramaic is simply evidence of their multi-lingual society, not necessarily that Aramaic was the primary language spoken in Israel. Clearly Hebrew and Aramaic co-existed within Israel as spoken languages, however most scholars now date the demise of Hebrew as a spoken language to the end of the Roman Period, or about 200 CE. They suggest that it continued as a literary language down through Byzantine Period from the 4th century CE. Some Hebrew linguists postulate the survival of Hebrew as a spoken language until the Byzantine Period.
Although the exact roles of Aramaic and Hebrew remain hotly debated, there is also plenty evidence of a trilingual scenario within the land of Israel. Hebrew functioned as the local mother tongue with powerful ties to Israel's history, origins, and golden age and as the language of Israel's religion. Aramaic functioned as the international language with the rest of the Mideast predominately spoken in Northern Israel; and eventually Greek functioned as another international language with the eastern areas of the Roman Empire. Communities of Jews (and non-Jews) immigrated to Judea from other lands and continued to speak both Aramaic and Greek.
Judeo-Aramaic is believed to be used in the Galilee (northern Israel), Greek is believed to have been concentrated within the former colonies and governmental centers, and Hebrew monolingualism continued in the southern villages of Judea.
Clearly the Greek New Testament contains Aramaic place names and quotations, and although the language of such Semitic glosses (and in general the language spoken by Jews in scenes from the New Testament) is usually referred to as "Hebrew"/"Jewish" in the text, this term often applies to Aramaic instead.
Thankfully, since Aramaic and Hebrew are such closely related languages, Hebrew readers are able to read the Aramaic in the Aramaic English New Testament and recognize it according to the strength of their Hebrew vocabulary.
http://hebrewnewtestament.com/hebrew.htm
You post a table of contents from a guy who is not a rabbi, was in a cult, and now hawks DVDs to enrich himself... As evidence of what???
That you follow a man instead of God?
He remains a cultist and you idolize him.
So much for Hebrew originals, then.
No I don't. I don't have to do anything except point to Hebrew word puns buried and hidden in the Greek text. Ultimately, there can be no reasonable answer for their presence (unintentionally preserved, mind you) except that the Greek document originated from an Hebrew source. That's it. fini.
As to the diatribe that follows thereafter, It is largely crap.
I use 'YHWH' because YHWH commanded that name to be His remembrance among his people. Add to that the confusion possible in the generic 'God', such as the current attempts by ecumenical types to say that we all worship the same god, that allah is the same as YHWH... I feel that a precise distinction is necessary.
There are prophecies particular to the idea that 'His people have forgotten His name', and while most folks lay that on the Jews, I will lay that on the Christians too - How often is 'Jehovah' uttered in this day?
And lastly, the most beautiful aspect of the name YHWH comes from it's ancient root: The meaning by way of Hebrew pictographs is 'Behold the hand, behold the nail'. Why would I use another?
As for Yeshua - the same applies - It is HIS NAME. Why is it that only that name must be transliterated? When you meet a Latino named Miguel, do you call him Mike? And further, training my brain to think 'Yeshua' has done fantastic things in studying the Tanakh. Can you find the direct linkage between Jesus and YHWH Sabbaoth?
No, I bet you can't... Because you can't see 'Yeshua' because 'Jesus' covers it up in your head... and besides, YHWH is always covered up in Christian Bibles with 'THE LORD'. Whether nefarious or not (and I do think it is), you and millions more, are trained away from finding that linkage... From using the Name. Just exactly like the Jews before you.
It isn't that there is magic in the name. But there is knowledge in the name, and that should be preserved, nay, SHOUTED OUT to the world.
Good to see another mature post. Been lacking a bit here.
That was foul.
Well for that matter, originals of anything - including Greek (except for fragments of either). Everything is now copies of copies.
But there is Shem-Tov's Hebrew Matthew, and a possible Hebrew manuscript of Acts alluded to.
Even so, the missing originals doesn't prevent scholars from restoring the original Hebrew meanings to the Greek translations "coined" to express the Hebrew meaning as much as possible, but at times failing.
Something tells me that version will not go over very well here. The large print version is 20 bucks off. Too bad the credit card companies deemed me an unworthy heretic.
You have NO idea what I idolize "genius". Your posts have turned into ignorant ranting's of a child person.
I posted the table of contents because I was asked to and said I would:
[RansomOttawa]: What's the holdup? If you have the evidence I asked for, by all means, post it. Put your cards on the table.
[Errant]: I'll be glad to post links to what I think are the pertinent parts of Gordon's presentation concerning the ancient Hebrew texts. It may be sometime tomorrow before I can however.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3128823/posts?page=418#418
I think ES described you beautifully as 'Snot'...
No doubt another attempt at "gloss work." What I mean in that term is there are quite a few NT versions out there that replace the "English" names derived from the Greek to Hebrew/Jewish names and places. Dr. Stern did such with the Complete Jewish Bible.
The shocking truth of the matter are the manuscripts used for these "Hebrew/Jewish" approaches...They use Greek manuscripts, or the Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB-http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Orthodox-Jewish-Bible-OJB/) or just change the names from the English! So the claim of use of "the oldest Aramaic text available today" really tells us whatever that is, it is later, not earlier than the Greek manuscripts.
For some reason the link you provided to the Hebrew NT won't come up at my current location. Perhaps paste here the manuscript references used to translate this version.
Another form of Yeshua? I ask because is it pronounced a bit different. Is there a council of sorts for Hebrew Roots groups which sets the proper English spelling so all will be correct?
You do know the difference between a table of contents - of a cultist’s opinions - and actual evidence? It does not appear you know.
Good to see another mature post. Been lacking a bit here.
I suppose you forgot all about your "important" post of scripture from Philippians I complemented you on then...
While we're at it, let's just forget Philippians 2:9-11 too:
9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Every knee means EVERY KNEE...
What one person call a "stumbling block", an honest person calls "the truth!"
I'm starting to think the same thing about you. If the whole "I've seen the light" thing was just a ruse, then you are lower than whale poop, IMO...
Go Blow Your NOSE...
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