Posted on 03/02/2014 3:59:10 PM PST by Errant
As the book of the Revelation comes to a close, we are left with some very important words. Keep his commandments, know his Torah, and make yourself ready to be the bride of the King. He is coming quickly. Join Michael Rood for the final episode in the series From Here to Eternity – Yeshua’s Famous Last Words: Amen, Emet, Truth.
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They are trying to put a yoke on the necks of believers that the Jews themselves were not able to bear.
Acts 15:5-29 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”
And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
The Greatest Commandment
Matt 22:34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Why would anyone bother to ‘prove’ anything to a satanic snot face like you?
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I think that is more a mechanism of the conversation than a matter of belief - 'Obedience' v 'No need for obedience' is bound to fracture along the line of the Torah. I don't see how ANY Messianic could not fully understand the need of the blood of Yeshua. In fact, because of their understanding of Torah, the requirement should be all the more apparent.
While the case can be made that Torah is the path to righteousness (as our Jewish brethren believe), I would assert that there is no one here that doesn't fully understand that that path necessarily leads right to the foot of the cross.
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Then please describe the nature of the controversy over Titus in Jerusalem in Galatians 2.
There is no requirement for circumcision of adult males in Torah. There were many 'righteous gentiles' living among the Israelis from the very beginning.
Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant. (Gen. 17:14)
Circumcision was a covenant sign both for the Abrahamic covenant, but the Mosaic one. To whom is the above verse referring? Uncircumcised adult males, or uncircumcised infants?
If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. (Exod. 12:48)
If there was no requirement for adult males to be circumcised, then why are they forbidden from participating in the passover? In fact, the very next verse tells us,
There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you. (12:49)
Why did Joshua circumcise the entire nation of Israel (Josh. 5), the generation that was not born in Egypt, if there was no requirement that males be circumcised?
>> “And what has that got to do with non-existent Hebrew manuscripts that you guys claim exist that nobody else knows about?” <<
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Who would expect anyone gullible enough to buy into the empty grace scam to know anything of great import?
28 separate examples of the original Hebrew Matthew are known presently, and if you were interested, it would have taken only a few minutes to determine where they are.
Empty gracers have no desire for the truth.
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The circumcision requirement was for the temple.
When the temple was destroyed, the relevance of circumcision became a tradition, rather than a need under Torah.
The renewed covenant has no requirement for circumcision of the flesh. Paul explained that several times.He spoke of “circumcision of the heart” being equivalent.
Amen Brother!
>> “So Hebrew roots people demand that we keep the whole Torah but we can’t.” <<
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You’re confused.
Hebrew roots people are in no position to demand anything. Yeshua is who demanded it, and his apostles all carried his message to the people.
>> “ I would suggest they were not faithful Jews.” <<
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Who is foolish enough to care what you suggest?
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>> “ I see Torah, Torah Torah, Law Law Law and it seems you are alone in invoking the Blood of Jesus Christ (Yeshua)” <<
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The blood is the sole source of justification. The point is how one ultimately is able to endure to the end in faith, to receive that saving justification.
No one can possibly do that without Torah written on their heart.
You are reading too much of the harpies nonsense, I suspect.
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Here is an example of how Rood changes scripture.
From Michael Rood’s book “The Pagan Christian Connection Exposed”>
"I invite you to leave your modern, western Gentile mentality behind as we explore the Scriptures from a Hebrew perspective. This is the paradigm shift for which you have been waiting an entire lifetime. As the prophets said, the Gentiles will come to the believers among the Jews in the last days, take hold of the blue fringe on the corners of their garments and say, “teach us the ways of the LORD, we now understand that the living oracles of GOD were committed to the Jews, and we have inherited nothing but lies and pagan gods from our forefathers—teach us about the Messiah (Zechariah 8:23, Jeremiah 16:19)" (page xvi introduction)
So that’s from Zechariah and Jeremiah ey? Let’s look at what they really say.
Zechariah 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
Jeremiah 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
It is Jesus they go to NOT the Jews who Rood would have us believe. Then Rood pretends to be a Jew to get people to think they need to come to him. Here is another of Michael Rood’s changing of scripture.
In the beginning of his DVD called “From the Oracles of God & The Road to Emmanus”.
"Yochanan, a first century Jewish author wrote " I have not written everything that could, or should be written about Yahshua of Nazareth, but these things I have written, so that you might know and believe that Yahshua is the messiah." Yochanan (John) 20:30-31
Here’s how the passage really reads in scripture.
John 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Notice how Rood conveniently leaves out that “Jesus us the Christ, the Son of God”. Michael Rood is an emissary of Satan.
A very logical post.
“Why would anyone bother to ‘prove’ anything to a satanic snot face like you?”
The bottom line is that you can’t. It was just your opinion.
I’m not getting what you mean.
“Shin, Kaph, Nun” where?
The pronunciation marks define where and what the vowels are.
Yahwey is improper because a vowel sound is missing. It also has no correspondence anywhere in scripture. For example, if yahwey were a name, the short form would be “yey,” not Yah. It’s gibberish that way.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
The real bottom line is that you have no knowledge of the Maccabean revolt.
Judah refused to relinquish their language for Greek even under penalty of death, and overthrew the Syrian Greeks in that revolt to retain the Hebrew language.
No Jew of that era would ever have spoken Greek for any reason. Even the Edomites and Romans had to accept that fact.
There you go again quoting sentences when it takes full chapters to convey the truth.
Whatever it takes to advance the lie, huh?
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Left you out of the last post.
There is no justification until the end.
That is what Yeshua and all the apostles said.
Matthwew 24:
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
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