Help me out. From the paleo-Hebrew please present the Name of God in Exodus 3:14. Chart below.
Posted on 03/02/2014 3:59:10 PM PST by Errant
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In that case, we can all safely ignore your unsupported assertion that it is "blatantly obvious that much was lost in translation from Hebrew to Aramaic and then to Greek." You have no way of knowing what was allegedly originally written by the apostles in Hebrew or Aramaic. Proof by, "I'm sure it must be out there somewhere," is proof of nothing.
Help me out. From the paleo-Hebrew please present the Name of God in Exodus 3:14. Chart below.
Matthew 5:
22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
There are many such examples but I'll just pick one...
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
You know who they, their and them are??? It's Israel...You know who the Gentiles are??? NOT Israel...Simple as that...
Indeed those who are in Christ, put another way---those who are disciples of Christ will do what He wants and will emulate what He did. Jesus Christ did tell his disciples to preach the Gospel and to go out and make disciples and baptize. In Luke 24 Jesus Christ is very specific on their primary mission:
Luke 24:
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
I think the above is very clear. Of the OT scriptures, the focus is what they have to say about Jesus Christ and finding Him; and most importantly the purpose of His death and resurrection. Not splitting hairs, but I fail to see the commission for teaching the Law.
We were too busy arguing about the messenger to discus anything much of importance.
I’m also surprised that apparently everyone doesn’t know already you guys believe the (New Testament) Scriptures were originally written in Hebrew. It’s a key claim for your theology I’d say.
That's probably a fair assumption. I would argue that the 'written' part of your assumption is superseded by the fact that those involved were indeed Hebrew. Consider today if we were conquered by the Chinese and our writings translated into Chinese, you telling me much of the meaning would not be lost?
As I said before, the Greek language is Pagan in nature and doesn't have the ability to fully convey Hebrew meaning. It could be reversed engineered however, given the knowledge and available evidence at our disposal today. That is indeed what is happening. Certainly a better translation than the KJV is now possible.
In addition, no Hebrew manuscripts exist that are older than the oldest Greek texts.
I'm not too sure about that statement. Also, who knows what is hidden away. There are many competing factions who care little about the truth when their side of things is at stake, as we've seen throughout history.
It seems to me given this conundrum, there really is no value in studying the Bible (NT portion) in Hebrew (or any language really).
I completely disagree with that statement. Through careful reconstruction/reverse engineering, we can certainly get much closer. When was it that the Word was even made available to the commoner? What happened to those who made it available against the Church's wishes at the time?
So why not just study the Greek...
As I've said before, much of the meaning is lost in the Greek translation.
That is, if the language of the originally inspired text was Hebrew, why did God let that be destroyed but yet let Greek texts remain, and how can we understand Scripture, from an etymological standpoint, by studying a Hebrew translation of the Greek? A translation is never inspired, in the strict sense.
I don't know the answer to why the Almighty does what he does. I do see why he entrusted the Gentile with the message. I trust in the end, the mystery will be revealed. I agree a translation is never as good as the original meaning. That said, like the six million dollar man theme, we can rebuild it...
Either are far better at conveying the meanings of Hebrew phrases and thought than Greek.
"I'm sure it must be out there somewhere," is proof of nothing.
What I state above, is not difficult to prove as I and others have done so already by showing where the actual name of Yeshua was corrupted. There are plenty of other examples.
What I said is I couldn't "produce personally", Hebrew texts older than the Greek translations. That doesn't mean they don't exist somewhere either knowingly or waiting to be discovered. Nor does it mean there isn't (and there is) circumstantial evidence leading to the original message being in Hebrew.
On another thread I posted links to a presentation my a the Hebrew Scholar Nehemiah Gordon presenting just such evidence. Glad to go dig 'em out for you if you are actually interested in pursuing this...
“instead of studying the doctrines of man that is. “
Spoken like a true cultist. Could have been spoken by a mormon, a Jehovah’s Witness, etc.
In this case, you also have the belief that Hebrew is a holy language. It is not.
“The congregations of Asia Minor were all of the dispersed northern Israelites. No exceptions.”
Starting in Acts 13, at the beginning of Paul’s first journey and reading through chapter 15, proves you are wrong.
I know, I know, your fake rabbi/ordained minister/former Way International cultist teaches differently.
How many of you are there???
I’m pretty sure it was Zeus who spoke Greek...
“None of the disciples could speak Greek, they knew only their native Hebrew.”
BIG claim. Prove it.
It’s sad you don’t see the real meaning of the words you use to support the beliefs you have.
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”Reverse engineering”?
”Couldn’t produce personally”? ” waiting to be discovered”? ” circumstantial evidence”?
Those are your support words for claiming what you claim and believe in? Seriously Errant, you need to step back and see how flimsy the foundations of your beliefs are.
>> On another thread I posted links to a presentation my a the Hebrew Scholar Nehemiah Gordon presenting just such evidence.<<
Nehemiah Gordon? The guy who denies Christ is the Messiah or that any Messiah has appeared?
“What I said is I couldn’t “produce personally”, Hebrew texts older than the Greek translations. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist somewhere either knowingly or waiting to be discovered. Nor does it mean there isn’t (and there is) circumstantial evidence leading to the original message being in Hebrew. “
A truth claim without evidence is a slogan.
“I’m pretty sure it was Zeus who spoke Greek...”
You believe in Zeus too as part of your religion?? This gets weirder and weirder.
I only know God chose to preserve NT writings in Greek. As Christians, we don’t believe in Zeus like you guys.
Yeah, those are probably concepts that pretty much escape your ability to comprehend CB.
For easier for you to just go twist scripture beyond all recognition than put any sort of thought into it.
No, then why do you salivate over his language? Maybe there is more to it's appeal to you than you realize?
It’s sad you don’t see the real meaning of the words you use to support the beliefs you have.
I'd suggest you know far littler than you claim to know PU, certainly NOT the mind of the Almighty - by any stretch...
“No, then why do you salivate over his language? Maybe there is more to it’s appeal to you than you realize?”
I can’t speak to actual saliva, but God chose to preserve His inspired words in Greek. Good enough for me.
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