Parenthetically Speaking (Before We Are Saved From the Wrath To Come)

A Rood Awakening Tv ^ | 7 February 2014 | Michael Rood

[Errant]

Parenthetical clauses are used throughout scripture to explain how, why, when and where in close proximity to the main subject and verb.

Parentheses in the book of The Revelation explain cause and effect. They tie together the events that happen previously, to the events that transpire subsequently on the prophetic timeline. Unfortunately, parentheses, as a literary devise, come centuries after the actual parenthetical clauses so prevalent in both Hebrew and Greek linguistic constructions. Because of their late arrival into the English language, the parentheticals in the book of The Revelation have never been either deservedly researched or accurately articulated. Now, after more than 40 years in the making, The Chronological Gospels is complete with all of the extensive parenthetical clauses accurately assigned throughout the book of The Revelation.

Now, with its impending fulfillment looming large on the horizon, The Revelation can finally be understood with clarity and lived with integrity. This one feature (the parenthetical clauses in The Revelation) in The Chronological Gospels is worth one thousand times the price of the book itself.

Join Michael Rood for the first of the last four teachings on the very last book of the Bible, “Parenthetically Speaking (Before We Are Saved From the Wrath To Come)”.

[roamer_1]

For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Right - Pretty good indication that they were not following Torah.

[roamer_1]

Which one's are for GENTILES?

Well, The prophets say the whole of the earth will keep Torah in the kingdom - That means everyone to me.

[Errant]

Do a Messianic Caucus or hang an ecumenical tag on it - this should really be in Religion just to have that advantage. CERTAINLY Rood is within the Messianic or Hebrew Roots community.

ES, you agree?

[caww]

....”That happened long ago my FRiend”....

That would be those who believe in Replacement Theology in one form or another.....so it appears you’re in that court then by your comment.

I am not of that court....rather believe as the scriptures depict that the coming of the lawless one has been held back until the appointed time.....and that is in the future.

“You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.”

[roamer_1]

Like corban?

Do you know what you are talking about?

[caww]

Again....Scripturally we find the church is not Israel but a separate entity under an ‘entirely new covenant’.... Israel is called the wife of Jehovah while the church is called the bride of Christ showing distinctions in how God relates to each......

.....No matter where anyone is in the world, those who confess Jesus as Lord, God the Son and Savior, become part of the Church, which is an invisible living organism of which Christ is the head.The true church is built on the confession of who Jesus is,Mt.16:16-18 .

Covenants....A covenant is an agreement between 2 parties, one is God the other man. There are two different types of agreements in scripture. ....Conditional and unconditional.

Conditional – base on man keeping the agreement by cooperation. If you will I will.

Unconditional.—Is based on Gods promise by him fulfilling his part. I will even if you disobey .

Covenants in sequential order (most recognize there are only two basic covenants, the mosaic and the New covenant)

Edenic covenant conditional Gen.2:15-17 resulted in spiritual death.

Adamic covenant-conditional Gen.3:14-21 resulted in physical death.

Noahic covenant-Unconditional Gen.9:1-19 still in effect resulted in worldwide flood.rainbow as the seal or token.

Abrahamic covenant- Uncondional Gen.12:1-3 to Abraham for Israel seal of the covenant Gen.15:1-21 circumcision as seal Gen.17:1-29.

Mosaic covenant-Conditional Ex.19:3-8 Between God and Israel only. Sign and seal of Cov. Ex.24:1-11 Sabbath as the seal.

Land covenant-Unconditional Deut.29:10-15 30:11-20 God gave to Israel the title deed to the land, still in effect.

Davidic covenant-Unconditional 2 Sam.7:4-17 seed of David. 1 Chron. 17 : 10-1,4 still in effect.

New covenant – Jer.31:31 - Karnei Diatheke the last will and testament. based on the blood of Christ .The revelation of the holiness of God in the righteous son who empowers those who receive him to become sons of God Jn.1:12 Heb.8:7 Gal.3:19 ‘until the seed should come’ which is Christ.

[caww]

So then you believe that Jesus is God? or not?

Jews in Jesus day recognized that to claim to be the son of God was equal to being God.

[Errant]

Jews in Jesus day recognized that to claim to be the son of God was equal to being God.

Like John:

5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

[roamer_1]

That would be those who believe in Replacement Theology in one form or another.....so it appears you’re in that court then by your comment.

LOL! Noooo, In fact, I am one of the most vociferous opponents of Replacement Theology you will ever meet.

What are the 'times and laws', and have they been changed? It is a simple observation.

I am not of that court....rather believe as the scriptures depict that the coming of the lawless one has been held back until the appointed time.....and that is in the future.

The 'mystery of iniquity' was already working in Paul's day, and in John's. So maybe you should broaden the scope of your view a bit... I am not against a final culmination of the 'man of sin', but the times and laws were changed long, long ago. Yeshua was a Jewish Rabbi who endorsed the law and the prophets. His discipleship was a sect of Judaism. What we recognize as Christianity today looks nothing like that.

[caww]

Thank you Boatbums.....

It's a difficult thing for those who follow false teachings to turn from them when they have been so indoctrinated by false teachers such as Rood..who BTW they follow despite their denial.

It's been rare among their posts that they use our Saviors name...Jesus Christ....rather they promote the Torah over and above Him, just as they promote Rood on these threads.

As with many false teachers and their followers, the name of the game boils down to leading people away from Jesus Christ to another gospel ‘of their own design’..along with the monetary gain of fleecing peoples pockets...with Rood and his followers it's all about the Torah and wishful thinking to become more "Jewish".....Jesus is an “attachment” in order to make their teachings and doctrines palatable to the uniformed. It's appearing more and more apparent in our day that Jesus is making strong attempts, through His people, to "rescue" those caught up in false teachings and being mislead by the enemy of mens souls.

Unfortunately many are Christians who have allowed themselves to be drawn away into this stuff. The enemy knows what will entice them and is ready to pounce when given an opening to do just that. He preys especially on those whose pride in keeping rituals or laws as if they can make themselves acceptable to God......

Jesus will never be enough for them...and though they make claim to His name they do not understand who He is and what He has accomplished for those who come to Him..... They have missed the High calling of God... which is IN Jesus Christ.

[metmom]

Romans 3:20-30 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

Romans 4:1-25 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”

Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? For we say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.”

He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah's womb. No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

[metmom]

Galatians 2:15-21 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

[caww]

...."So are you saying it is 'depraved' to keep the Eternal Torah?"....

Roods teachings indeed are depraved.....you cannot promote Rood and his false teachings about the Torah and attempt to use the Gospel of Jesus Christ as a buffer to these false teachings without opposing what Jesus clearly taught us to avoid.

Jesus spoke against putting people back under 'bondage' to the law time and time again throughout the scriptures, well depicted on this thread over and over again for those who desire truth....

As Christians we walk in the Spirit of Jesus Christ..not in the letter of the law that condemns.

[caww]

.....”If I link to his website, it brings on all manner of accusations of me ‘pimping’ his website and worse in trying to get the thread pulled. IMO, I think it’s just ole Satan trying to keep discussion of the Almighty’s message from people”.....

You’re not just linking... you’re ‘promoting’ Rood and his false teachings at length.

So of course Christians are going to rally against Roods teachings.....but it is interesting you seldom speak of Jesus Christ...it’s all Rood, the Torah and God....and an occasional reference to Jesus to seal your deal.

And now your even referencing your own threads promoting him....and yet you state you aren’t doing so but only interested in common ground??? I think you lie.

[caww]

I wouldn’t expect a response from those following Rood, to your scripture posted. They are quick to ignore scripture and post their own, which often times doesn’t even address the poster’s comments they’ve responded to.

I am really saddened that Roody’s stuff continues to be promoted here on FR. Some on FR have already fallen for the “bait” and will pay a price they never imagined for doing so.

Praying they will quickly see the “lies” of his teachings and come away just as quickly as they’ve been nabbed.

[Errant]

Rom. 6:1-2

1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary (6:1,2)

The apostle is very full in pressing the necessity of holiness. He does not explain away the free grace of the gospel, but he shows that connexion between justification and holiness are inseparable. Let the thought be abhorred, of continuing in sin that grace may abound. True believers are dead to sin, therefore they ought not to follow it. No man can at the same time be both dead and alive. He is a fool who, desiring to be dead unto sin, thinks he may live in it.

"In Abrahamic contexts, sin is the act of violating God's will. Sin can also be viewed as anything that violates the ideal relationship between an individual and God; or as any diversion from the ideal order for human living. Sin has been defined as "to miss the mark"."

[metmom]

Yeah? So?

What’s that got to do with putting people back under the bondage of the Law like Rood and other Hebrew roots people are trying to do?

[caww]

.....”Yeshua was a Jewish Rabbi who endorsed the law and the prophets”....

No...Jesus ‘fulfilled’ the law and the prophets.

Do Not Think That I Came to Destroy the Law but to Fulfill it.

Law keepers always try to justify their 10 commandment keeping by Matt. 5:17-19. Lets look at what Jesus intent is when He states, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

In the greater context of his sermon Jesus is giving contrasts of his correct interpretation of the law in contrast to the Pharisees interpretation. The Pharisaic traditions destroyed the law because they reinterpreted the law, not presenting it in the way Moses had intended. As long as Jesus was alive He had to keep the law the way it was written by Moses. He would fulfill the law as Moses had written it. Once He died and rose again He ratified what was needed to be kept under the law of Christ (not Moses). This law was either given directly by Jesus or through the apostles after the resurrection (Acts 1:2). The Sermon on the Mount is used to prove one is still under the law but Jesus is only explaining the true intent of the law in contrast to what the Pharisees taught.

In this section quoted (Mt.5:17-19) He goes on to say “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

What would be the least of the commandments? This is not the Sabbath or the 10 but all 613. The smallest “jot or tittle” of “the law and the prophets” will not pass away. The jot or tittle is the smallest stroke of the pen in the Hebrew alphabet. This would include all the ceremonial laws as well! If one insists on keeping the 10 then this means we would have to keep all the Torah laws that Israel kept, there would be no change from the new covenant. If the law is still in effect then so are the penalties for breaking the law. If one separates the penalties then the commands have no authority or justice on an individual. But Jesus also mentioned the prophets, that all they have prophesied will be accomplished.

Jesus fulfilled all the laws requirement by his perfect obedience, taking upon himself the penalty and the curse of the law and with his dying rendered it inoperative for the believer (Rom.10:4-5; Heb. 8:13). To say one is going to keep the Old Testament law because of requirement is to ignore the work that Christ did in our stead in the New Testament covenant.

As far as the word “fulfill” which many abuse, it does not mean to continue or reinforce. Matthew consistently used the word fulfill in a specific manner, once something is fulfilled there is not a future fulfillment. He quotes Isa.7:14 for the fulfillment of the virgin birth. Where he was to be born Micah 5:2, there is no awaiting for this to re occur in the future. To fulfill something means to bring it to a completion. It is used consistently this way through Matthews gospel (Mt.2:17,23, 12:17, 13:13,35, 27:9,35)

Here are a few examples: Matt 2:15 “and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”

Matt 8:17 “that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: “He Himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses.”

Matt 21:4-5 “All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “Tell the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your King is coming to you, lowly, and sitting on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.’“

Matt 26:56 “But all this was done that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.

All the Scriptures that Matthew writes about being fulfilled all mean a completion of something that is said. That something was prophesied or written and he fulfilled it or made it happen, bringing it to its end, having it come to pass.

Jesus’ last words before he left are found in Matt. 28:20 “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Jesus after the resurrection continued with the apostles for 40 days. We find in Acts 1:2-5 “Until the time he was taken up after he through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles he had chosen.” “To whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

An interesting correlation is that Jesus stayed with the apostles 40 days giving instruction, the same amount of time Moses was on Sinai receiving the commandments from God. Was he teaching them the same thing he had taught them prior? No, these were new instructions through a new covenant.

Acts 1:8 “ But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

As we can see, some commands are temporary and only for a certain time. This is also true for the Old Testament laws, many of the Old Testament laws are given new meaning in the New Testament. Whatever came through the cross and taught by the apostles were the teachings for the Church. Commands can be something God gives at a certain time. They are not to be confused as to always being kept at all times in the way they are said. Otherwise we would all have to go to Jerusalem to receive the Holy Spirit. Some commands are specific and one time events. Some are temporary such as the sacrifices, others still continue. Some are to certain individuals others are to the whole Church. For example: Jesus did not tell the disciples not to sacrifice animals during this time they were still under the law before his resurrection. Its obvious after he died the veil was rent and his sacrifice was once for all, they no longer had to do continue this. So when Mt.28 states to observe all things that I have commanded you it must mean and include what he spoke to the disciples after His resurrection, which could explain the very fact of why he stayed 40 days and did not ascend to heaven immediately after His resurrection.

Some examples of these temporary commandments are: Mt. 10:5-8 “These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Jesus told the disciples not to go to the gentiles but afterwards in Mt.28 he tells to do so and this is where he says to teach them to observe all I commanded you. Acts 8:5 “Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria and preached Christ to them.” Acts 9:15 “But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.” Acts 18:6 “From now on I will go to the Gentiles.” Was Paul disobedient? Of course not, the command of Christ had changed from what was previously given.

In Acts 15 [T]he gentiles are told that they do not have to be circumcised or keep the Law of Moses. The Old Testament consequence for not keeping the Sabbath was the death sentence (Ex. 31:14-17). God sought to kill Moses before he was going to Pharaoh because he neglected to circumcise his son.

Num. 28:9-10 states there is to be a sacrifice on each Sabbath. In the New Testament the sacrifices ceased.

Heb.7:12: “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.”

Heb.10:1: “For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.” If the sacrifices were taken care of by one sacrifice and an eternal priesthood was installed instead of a continual changing of one. Doesn’t it make sense the law of God was also changed? Well that’s exactly what it says in Heb.7:12 “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.”

So we see the priesthood as well as the sacrifices, in the law were changed yet Jesus upheld these during his 3 years of his ministry on earth. So his command “teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you,” is focused on the instructions after the resurrection not on all the ones before, unless applicable.

The Old Testament Covenant was never intended to be permanent. (Gal.3:17-18, 22-25) Jesus used two examples in a parable to show the new is not to be joined with the old, (Luke 5:36-39) V.36 “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old.”Heb.8:13 “In that He says “a New Covenant,” He has made the first one obsolete...”. Paul describes the Mosaic covenant in 2 Cor.3: 7 the HOLY SPIRIT tells us, is “passing away” and is “abolished” (verses 11,13), in its place we have the “ministry of the Spirit” and “the ministry of righteousness” (verses 8,9).

Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. To have it put aside. If continued it would become much the worse, even for the purpose for which it was intended; Jesus did not come to patch up Judaism, he came to fulfill it by his life teaching death and resurrection, not to patch up the old. Jesus’ purpose was expanded beyond Israel, to all mankind through his spirit something that could never be done under the old administration of the law.

V.37 “And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. v.38 “But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. The old wineskins were stretched out to their limit and any more fermentation would burst them. To try and mix the old (law) with the new (gospel) would destroy both. You are not saved by Jesus plus Moses, neither is one sanctified by Jesus plus Moses. V.39 “And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better. ”

Once the wineskin was used and stretched it could not be stretched more, it was useless and a new wineskin was needed. The Pharisees held on to the old law but those who found Christ to be their all in all found life in the new, they left the old for the new.

We are under the new law of Christ NOT the law of Moses. Some of the Old Testament laws are ratified in the new covenant and some are not. He did not polish up the Old Testament laws to shine better. The moral laws continue, as they are reaffirmed in the New Testament because they preceded the law of Moses (you shall not kill, no adultery, no lying or stealing). Man was created in the image of his maker and so had a moral likeness in his nature, though now flawed. These moral laws were relative to mans moral nature that was made in God’s image.

Rom 3:19-20: “Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
In Romans 7 (which makes a good study on this topic), he makes the argument of a bride to her husband. That if one dies the other is not longer bound. Rom 7:4: “Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another— to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.” V.6 “ But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

This is why Paul could say “the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Therefore, if Christ fulfilled all the law why do some try to bring people back under its bondage? I have found that it is because they have not studied the covenants carefully enough to discern which one to live under, therefore their confusion continues.

http://www.letusreason.org/7thAd26.htm

[Errant]

And now your even referencing your own threads promoting him....and yet you state you aren’t doing so but only interested in common ground??? I think you lie.

I don't lie. But I can see where some on this thread might find that unusual trait in others.

I've lost count of the number of subjects we've covered. My linking to the SNL episodes for roamer_1 was so that he might review those as he expressed an interest in the one this thread is about.

You’re not just linking... you’re ‘promoting’ Rood and his false teachings at length. Rood and his false teachings at length.

I've persistently asked you and other members of your cult to show me where Michael Rood has misrepresented a single scripture.

All y'all are EVER able to do is to continue your attacks, bear false witness, scorn, and condemn Michael Rood and anyone who thinks his teachings have merit. You are setting a fine example for your brand of churchianity. It seems to be in direct opposition to what Yeshua taught though.

[metmom]

No one is talking justification here - and that doesn't mean one is to do *no* works. We are to keep the law because we love God - Let me say that more forcefully - We are to keep Torah because we love YHWH - Not for vainglory, not for justification, but for the LOVE of YHWH and our fellow man.

No, we keep the Law because we love Him.

A slight difference.

It is the natural outworking of Christ in us to do what is right.

It's not something that we have to do to prove that we love God, thinking that we're pleasing Him with our works.

The Law hangs on two commandments of love. When we walk in those, we keep the Law in our hearts, without having to observe the external rules and regulations required by the Law which never saved or justified anyone.

Besides, there is no way to keep the Law as the sacrificial system is no longer and there is no Temple nor priesthood that can offer the appropriate sacrifices in the prescribed manner.

So those who advocate keeping the Law are only advocating keeping the Law in name only. There is way too much of it that cannot be kept correctly to begin with and to demand that we keep the rest leaves those making the demands hypocrites.

In the Beatitudes, Jesus revealed the intent of the Law. If we walk in those, we do fill the Law. If we keep only the externals, with a laundry list of do's and don't's, we are not really keeping the Law and that isn't pleasing to God because the Law does not and cannot dictate behavior in each and every circumstance in our lives.

If we walk according to the intent of the Law, which someone who is walking in the Spirit does, the Law is then fulfilled in the Spirit without becoming a bunch of legalists who think that what we do actually pleases God.