Whats-A-Matter? The gravity of what you said just now hitting 'home'?
Posted on 02/09/2014 9:26:46 AM PST by Errant
Parenthetical clauses are used throughout scripture to explain how, why, when and where in close proximity to the main subject and verb.
Parentheses in the book of The Revelation explain cause and effect. They tie together the events that happen previously, to the events that transpire subsequently on the prophetic timeline. Unfortunately, parentheses, as a literary devise, come centuries after the actual parenthetical clauses so prevalent in both Hebrew and Greek linguistic constructions. Because of their late arrival into the English language, the parentheticals in the book of The Revelation have never been either deservedly researched or accurately articulated. Now, after more than 40 years in the making, The Chronological Gospels is complete with all of the extensive parenthetical clauses accurately assigned throughout the book of The Revelation.
Now, with its impending fulfillment looming large on the horizon, The Revelation can finally be understood with clarity and lived with integrity. This one feature (the parenthetical clauses in The Revelation) in The Chronological Gospels is worth one thousand times the price of the book itself.
Join Michael Rood for the first of the last four teachings on the very last book of the Bible, “Parenthetically Speaking (Before We Are Saved From the Wrath To Come)”.
To my knowledge, though, I was the only one in attendance with any connection to the Worldwide Church of God (WCG).
You may think that your good works outweigh the bad you have done in life,... that this will merit you entrance into heaven at the end of your life..... But this is not God’s standard of good; Only Jesus is.
We are to look to Jesus Christ who kept God’s standards (laws) perfectly while living among people like you and me. We ‘measure ourselves by the standard of Christ’..... Once we do this we find Jesus is the perfect ideal human who we cannot compare to.... There is no one else like Him, because He is also God.
...there is no other way but His way. “For by grace you are saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)
SALVATION is not in any sense a reward for what you do but a free and undeserved gift of love from God. You need to recognize that salvation (forgiveness and being rescued from the consequences of your sin) depends upon your personal acceptance of the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior. It is God’s work on the cross through His Son. It is offered to you freely by His grace. There is no way to earn it.
You might want to know about one of the man's revelations (talk about a false prophet):
"One pastor from Hawaii who went there said: “The Lord spoke to me while in Lakeland Florida and said, “‘This is My Holy Spirit ‘Bird Flu.’” A divine virus that is now aire borne and highly contagious and highly infectious. He said, This one is incurable! This one will spread throughout the whole world!”
Besides how rediculous this is, this is so obviously wrong. God does not call any move of his spirit as associated with being deadly. As one exercises discernment the meaning of the description’s bring serious concern."
More info on the "Let US Reason" website:
Your sources speak volumes about you caww...
Whats-A-Matter? The gravity of what you said just now hitting 'home'?
Exposing a popular Sacred Name Movement false teaching.
From here
Many Sacred Name Movement people believe and openly propagate the myth that the name of Jesus is in some way connected with or derived etymologically from the name Zeus. Some believe it, but know it cannot be substantiated by research and are silent about it. The more knowledgeable people within the movement openly deny the truth of it. Some of these seem to want to pretend the myth was never taught by the early movers and shakers of the movement and is not now being taught within the movement. These certainly resent it being brought up and talked about by one outside the movement.
I have been derisively and insultingly told, That Eeyaezus [Jesus?] has nothing to do with Zeus is your greatest intellectual hurdle. This is from an otherwise intelligent man who wanted to discuss the doctrine of the revelation of the Sacred Name with me on a higher level.
Some Sacred Name people teach this false doctrine; some do not. Regardless of the position an individual Sacred Name person may take, this fact remains: a large segment of the movement still believes this lie. Promoting the Jesus = Zeus myth to new converts is an easy way to get them away from saying the name of Jesus. It gives them a reason to look down on, even hate, the name of Jesus. The teachers of the movement use this lie as an appeal to the need many people have to possess esoteric knowledge which gives them a superiority over others. We know more than you know and if you knew where the name of Jesus came from you wouldn't be using it, are not uncommon attitudes.
Except in the minds of numbers of Sacred Name people, there is absolutely no connection between the name Jesus and the name Zeus. It is easy, however, for SN teachers to pull this doctrinal stuffed bunny out of the Sacred Name Movement hat and fool people into thinking it is real. It is not of any substance. It is especially easy to trick folks who are eager to believe something. Many of them are not interested in and are trained not to ask for documentation of research. You may be sure of one thing, when this mythical connection between Jesus and Zeus is put before a group of people, the Sacred Name teacher is casting aspersions and disdain on the name of Jesus.
Let it be stated early and with emphasis that not all Sacred Name people believe the name Jesus is derived from the name Zeus. It is, after all, a lie. It has no foundation in any legitimate research. The teaching is rejected by some; it should be rejected by all Sacred Name people. This teaching is the product of the fertile imaginations of Sacred Name teachers.
First, we will show that this doctrine has been taught and propagated in various Sacred Name publications since the early days of the Sacred Name Movement. We may be certain that it was taught from SN pulpits much earlier. It is still being taught both orally and in print by numerous SN groups. A large majority of Sacred Name believers subscribe to this false teaching and promote it as though it were fact.
Second, we will show that the name Jesus has a well grounded and easily researchable etymological history. It is not now, nor has it ever been etymological connected with the name Zeus. Sacred Name people might easily find this etymology, if that were their desire. Some have done so.
Another article here.
From the article you are using as ref http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp264.htm:
The “Hebrew Roots movement “and “Messianic Jews and Messianic churches” are two different groups. A small percentage may lean toward the more exclusive teachings of the Hebrew roots (or the sacred name movement)
TRUE - But they are both loosely regarded as Messianics, or Netzer ('branch' derivatives) or Nazarenes.
On one hand both still emphasize the law, though Messianic Jews will not say we are required to keep kosher or the Sabbath but choose to do so to keep their heritage. On the other hand, the Hebrew roots movement [HRM] (for the most part) insists that we must keep the Sabbath,we must to keep Moses law (or portions in it), which includes the Feast Days.
That certainly hasn't been my experience. Messianic Jews still try to keep all of Halakha law, while HRM keep Torah only. BOTH are insistent. But both agree that we do these things because we love YHWH.
There is no obligation to celebrate Hebrew Feast days.
Wanna bet?
while it is beneficial to learn the Old testament from a Hebrew perspective, it is equally non beneficial to place non Jews and Jews under the laws that are not required. which is falling into the same Galatian heresy Paul addressed. It is good to understand how these feasts foreshadow and typify Christ, but again, they are not required to be kept. Yeshua died to break down (Colossians 3:11 & Ephesians 2:11-15). we are all spiritually one in Christ; which is not based on our natural birth but our Second spiritual Birth.
But if we love Him, we will keep His commandments. No sale.
Their most ardent teaching is against using the name Jesus, which they consider pagan and even related to Zeus. So they combine a name from Yah for the Messiah, he is to be called Yahshua.
This is so screwed up as to be entirely and functionally illiterate.
Sacred name groups insist one must pronounce the name in Hebrew for salvation and prayer to be answered yet they cannot agree on the exact name 9Actually the correct pronunciation is Yeshua).
Actually I know a few Sacred Name folks, and they do not insist on any such thing - They insist on using His actual NAME.
As to Yahshua, Yahushua, Yahoshua, Yahshua, Yeshua... They are all right - They are forms of 'Joshua', whose full name is 'YHWH is Salvation'... the familiar form is shortened to 'Yeshua' - 'Salvation'. If you want to have the veil lifted from the OT, substitute every personal form (and most forms generally) of 'salvation' with 'Yeshua'. THEN you will see why His Name is important (outside of it being HIS NAME).
Hebrew is a sacred language, the New Testament was not written in Greek
TRUE. OR at the least, Hebrew should define Hebrew thoughts and terms. Even if it wasn't written in Hebrew, which it needfully WAS, the people writing it WERE Hebrew, and followed Hebrew thought patterns.
For the most part HRM does not believe Yashua (not pronounced Yeshua and certainly not Jesus) is God come in the flesh as the Bible teaches[...]
Utterly and fully false.
and they teach that all the laws are binding. Some reject the message of Paul and seem to not accept a new covenant, i.e through the gospel.
COMPLETELY absurd.
Messianic Jews do believe the gospel and that Jesus is God, but will often make certain parts of the law inclusive to living. They will meet on Shabbat and often have the 10 commandments displayed at the podium.There are Messianic Jews that confuse Talmudic Judaism with the Judaism of Moses [...]
Where 'Judaism of Moses' read 'Torah'. MOST Messianic Jews keep Halakha, which, as Yeshua proved, defeats Torah.
Well said.
Um, no, I am quite aware of the gravity of that passage. I take heed to it and don’t allow anyone preaching “another gospel” as Rood does into my home in any fashion.
So if you believe that...why do you listen to Rood?
Revelation is all about Jesus Christ....The first verse identifies just that...”The Revelation of Jesus Christ’...but
Salvation has already been met in Christ for us all...that is a finished work once and for all. We are free from any condemnation for sin. He paid it all...or he paid nothing at all.
Revelation are the things yet to come....
You couldn’t even admit that Jesus was God Errant. All that teaching by Rood and you didn’t know that Jesus is indeed God. You didn’t know that Gordon denied Christ is the Messiah. You seem to fall for the show or something but it sure isn’t what scripture teaches.
Worth repeating here as it’s interesting that the New Age Spirituality movement uses a similar tactic....though it’s an anything goes group for the most part. They eventually deny Jesus his rightful place...and instead go into all sorts of esoteric mumble jumble...and they too think they have knowledge the rest of the world is lacking.
Quote from your post as follows:
Regardless of the position an individual Sacred Name person may take, this fact remains:
.... a large segment of the movement still believes this lie..... Promoting the Jesus = Zeus myth ...to new converts is an easy way to get them away from saying the name of Jesus..... It gives them a reason to look down on, even hate, the name of Jesus.
The teachers of the movement use this lie as an appeal to the need many people have to possess ‘esoteric knowledge’ which gives them a superiority over others.... We know more than you know and if you knew where the name of Jesus came from you wouldn’t be using it, are not uncommon attitudes.
Right - What I am saying is that you tend to endorse Messianic Jews, while excoriating 'Hebrew Roots' or 'Christian Messianics',for wont of a better term, when the Hebrew Roots Messianics are closer to you doctrinally than the Messianic Jews - It is the inconsistency that I am pointing out, albeit that, like most Protestants/Evangelicals, that inconsistency is usually based in ignorance.
Additionally.... I’m not looking to line up with groups attempting to unite the various faiths....regardless of what motives they use to do so.
Neither am I, although I will point out that the prophets can be read in a way that predicts not an ecumenicism, but a union of Christianity and Judaism in Yeshua's hand - That can only be true if both drop their traditions.
At issue are the false and misleading teachings Rood spews and that these rob people of knowing Salvation through the Biblical Jesus Christ.....HE’s on another path and one Jesus warns of throughout Scripture.
I have listened to a lot of his schtick, and no doubt, much more than you - I haven't found very much that is questionable. What he has done is a lot of hard work that tends to prove the Messianic point of view. For instance, I have for a long time known the significance of YHWH's Holy Days, but as a goy, I could not understand, nor were Jews particularly informative - Rood has done much for me in filling out the meaning of the Holy Days - The purpose and function of them.
It doesn’t matter from whatever side of the aisle they may oppose Rood... other than he’s known to be a liar and a fraud....that should tell anyone he is not to be believed nor relied on for the truth no matter if Messianic, Christian, or even without faith.
I know how all the fraud accusations finally turned out - So i can reject your characterization. As to the 'liar' bit, quite a bit of that is soundbites of misspent words, or outright nonsense by self-righteous mouth breathers. Most of it is defensible. Where it isn't it can be largely attributed to his penchant for exaggeration and bombastic nature.
Additionally...I am very much aware of what is happening among the Protestant and Evangelicals today and it’s not good, rather an infiltration within the churches....none are exempt and too many are failing to see their condition as it is.
It is my contention that the 'falling away' happened long ago. What we have been seeing, division after division, ever more permissive, is the predictable result of the original falling away. Without Torah IS lawlessness, by definition. When citizens have no regard for the law...
Look...we’re in a time where the enemy of mens souls is setting the stage for his entrance....one of the conditions is a falling away of the true faith...we are seeing that everywhere today. People seek “something” else apart and or mixed with the Gospel Message and many are taking the bait that’s given.
Your misgivings aside, those here follow Yeshua - He said, after all, to do and teach the Torah - Every commandment that He spoke is what we are to follow - HE is the example.
The bible teaches us there is only ‘one foundation’ we can build on, that is Jesus Christ.
Then how can I go wrong by listening to what He said?
You are right to say Roods teachings will continue without Rood, they were here before Rood.......... If we take Buddha out of Buddhism it goes on. ...One can practice Buddhism divorced from its founder......If Krishna is removed from Hinduism the teachings and the techniques continue. .....One can practice Islam without Mohammed being alive.
You misunderstand my point - Bhudda, Krishna, and Mohammed ARE founders. Rood is not the founder of the Messianics. Rood is just another preacher.
BUT...... if we take ‘Jesus Christ’ out of Christianity, which Rood does.... it crumbles............. Because Christianity is based upon a ‘person and His work done on the cross’, not our work.
There is not a single Messianic that I have EVER run into that promotes works. Salvation IS Yeshua (That is HIS NAME), and they ALL know that.
Exerts: 'The Name Jesus"
The entire New Testament was written in Greek and the word Jesus is the word that is used.... It is not the Hebrew יֵשׁוּעַ which is Yeshua. .. So, it is simple. Jesus is properly called Jesus.
"And she will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins," (Matt. 1:21).......
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God," (Mark 1:1)........"let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by this name this man stands here before you in good health. 11 “He is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, but which became the very corner stone. 12 “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other NAME under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved," (Acts 4:10-12)
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, acalled as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, (Rom. 1:1). "But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone," (Heb. 2:9)
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John," (Rev. 1:1).
As you can see, the New Testament uses "Jesus" as the name and not a Hebrew name.
For people to say that Jesus' real name is Yashua or Yahusha or Yahushua, etc., is Jesus' real name is just a statement of pushing an agenda and not believing the New Testament text.
Just more of your falsehoods CB, you too are fast falling to empty on the credibility meter.
You know my feelings about the trinity CB. You also know that I have pointed to John 5:16-13 (The Authority of the Son) in explaining it. We even agreeded about the 'trintiy'. You going back on that too? Do I need to go dig out our posts about it?
You seem to fall for the show or something but it sure isn’t what scripture teaches.
For one who wouldn't even let the 'show' load, you sure seem to know a lot about what gets taught. And you know full well it's ALL about what the scripture teaches!
I told you why. Why don't you scroll up and read why?
Revelation are the things yet to come....
Really? I thought you said just upstream that "it was finished"? How do reconcile "the things yet to come" with "it is finished"???
As I've said before they are a dime a dozen
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Gobbledygook!
Here are just the NT passages that show you to be a liar and a fool:
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mark 10:
19] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
[20] And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
[21] Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
John 14:
[12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
[14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
[24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
[26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:
[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
[11] These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full
1John 2:
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1John 3:24
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1John 5:
[24] And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
2John 1:
[5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
[6] And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
His truth is not in you! - You reject his commandments!
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However true Christians never deviate from the centrality of Jesus Christ and Salvation ONLY through His name...regardless of their denomination..it Christ in you the hope of Glory!
However true Christians never deviate from the centrality of Jesus Christ and Salvation ONLY through His name...regardless of their denomination..it Christ in you the hope of Glory!
Posting agitprop from nicolaitan sites does you no good.
The name that the Rabbis crafted as a curse cannot do you well.
Use his real name. YESHUA!
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