[marktwain]

It is hard to make a decision on this case without seeing all the facts that the jury saw. The remark in the prosecutor's closing statements about this being "a fist fight" prejudices me in Greens favor. No one who knows much about deadly force and street fighting would claim that this sort of beating could not result in death or serious bodily injury.

[marktwain]

Looking at the article, two bars is not “several”.

[Yo-Yo]

In Michigan he would have been carrying in violation of the law when in the bars, and in violation in general if he had any measurable alcohol in his system.

[Pollster1]

I am 100% in favor of using firearms to end a fist fight. A 5’1” girl with a Glock is not supposed to count on her right hook against a man who is beating on her, and neither should any other victim who is not the aggressor. Perhaps there are relevant facts not in the article, but I would be sympathetic to the man who shot his attacker.

[caver]

A number of the so called “knockout” victims have been killed with one punch.

[Standing Wolf]

60% of the murders committed in Wisconsin occur in Milwaukee, which has a little over 10% of the population of the state.

That's also known as "leadership" in Chicago. Milwaukee may have a special local term for it that I'm unfamiliar with.

[21twelve]

This prosecutor seems to be mixing things up. If the fight was “over”, then I agree that the use of deadly force may have been illegal. Unless of course it had only paused; “Now get in the car or I’ll REALLY give you a beat-down” as he got ready to swing again.

But to say you can’t use deadly force to end “a fist fight” is an entirely different thing. And is entirely legal where I live.

[driftless2]

It would be a very poor case for that anti-gunners to hang their hats on. What they’re looking for is for a cc nut to start arbitrarily shooting up places and killing people (preferably children and/or lib protected groups) without cause. But a guy who is getting the tar beat out of him and who could actually be acting in self-defense is not the one they’re looking for.

[Tupelo]

Alcohol and guns like automobiles and alcohol should never be mixed. Both are deadly. That fact alone prejudices me against Mr Green. Reckless Homicide sounds about right, IF the facts are as presented.

[Lee N. Field]

What's the absolute first rule? Don't go stupid places with stupid people.

[ThunderSleeps]

In CO if you are reasonably in fear for your life, you can use deadly force to protect yourself. Given the fact that people have died from a single blow I would say any physical altercation is potentially life threatening. At any point in a fight someone may pick up a weapon, a rock, bottle, tire iron, etc. So letting yourself be beaten senseless or stunned just leaves you defenseless. I'd say any physical attack involving punches, kicks, throws is potentially deadly.

That said, alcohol and firearms do not mix - unless you're using some kind of alcohol based cleaner/de-greaser. In CO he would be in violation of the law for being in possession of a firearm while under the influence. If I'm going out, even for just one beer with friends while watching a game - the Glock stays home.

[MrB]

unreasonable for Green to use deadly force in what was clearly "a fist fight."

He should have known it was just a "whoopass", right?

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

This is one of those situations where fractions of a second count in determining justification or guilt.

There is very little or no commentary about the trial proceedings or their outcome. Green could face as much as 45 years in prison, but any appeal would likely be after sentencing.

N.B.: The defendant and victim are both black.

http://fox6now.com/2013/05/29/phillip-green-charged-in-shooting-death-of-ernest-banks/

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/jsonline/obituary.aspx?pid=165053323