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Wisconsin CCW Holder First to be Convicted of Homicide
Gun Watch ^ | 10 January, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 01/10/2014 3:35:13 AM PST by marktwain

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It is hard to make a decision on this case without seeing all the facts that the jury saw. The remark in the prosecutor's closing statements about this being "a fist fight" prejudices me in Greens favor. No one who knows much about deadly force and street fighting would claim that this sort of beating could not result in death or serious bodily injury.
1 posted on 01/10/2014 3:35:13 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Looking at the article, two bars is not “several”.


2 posted on 01/10/2014 3:36:30 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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In Michigan he would have been carrying in violation of the law when in the bars, and in violation in general if he had any measurable alcohol in his system.


3 posted on 01/10/2014 3:47:19 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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I am 100% in favor of using firearms to end a fist fight. A 5’1” girl with a Glock is not supposed to count on her right hook against a man who is beating on her, and neither should any other victim who is not the aggressor. Perhaps there are relevant facts not in the article, but I would be sympathetic to the man who shot his attacker.


4 posted on 01/10/2014 4:00:50 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: marktwain

A number of the so called “knockout” victims have been killed with one punch.


5 posted on 01/10/2014 4:02:53 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: marktwain
60% of the murders committed in Wisconsin occur in Milwaukee, which has a little over 10% of the population of the state.

That's also known as "leadership" in Chicago. Milwaukee may have a special local term for it that I'm unfamiliar with.

6 posted on 01/10/2014 4:03:18 AM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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If he was drinking I don’t have a lot of sympathy for him.


7 posted on 01/10/2014 4:07:48 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

This prosecutor seems to be mixing things up. If the fight was “over”, then I agree that the use of deadly force may have been illegal. Unless of course it had only paused; “Now get in the car or I’ll REALLY give you a beat-down” as he got ready to swing again.

But to say you can’t use deadly force to end “a fist fight” is an entirely different thing. And is entirely legal where I live.


8 posted on 01/10/2014 4:16:51 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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Its my understand the law here in Florida doesn’t allow you to use deadly force for a fist fight. If someone says “i’m going to beat you up” you cannot shoot them. If they say they’re going to kill you, then you can. Never understood why the state expects you to let yourself be beat.


9 posted on 01/10/2014 4:20:31 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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It would be a very poor case for that anti-gunners to hang their hats on. What they’re looking for is for a cc nut to start arbitrarily shooting up places and killing people (preferably children and/or lib protected groups) without cause. But a guy who is getting the tar beat out of him and who could actually be acting in self-defense is not the one they’re looking for.


10 posted on 01/10/2014 4:23:35 AM PST by driftless2
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“Looking at the article, two bars is not “several”...........

You want “several” bars, visit La Crosse, there has to be a bar on every block. Fun town too.


11 posted on 01/10/2014 4:31:37 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Progov

Doesn’ the Wisconsin “castle doctrine” consider the immediate space around you as “your space” and give you the right to protect yourself within said space? Enlighten me.

When Banks picted Green up from the ground did NOT mean he didn’t plan to continue his assault, perhaps he was only catching his breath for round two.

Not knowing either of these two, I can only imagine the part of the city they came from. (Near north side?)


12 posted on 01/10/2014 4:36:25 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Pollster1
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13 posted on 01/10/2014 4:40:50 AM PST by jimsin
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To: marktwain

Alcohol and guns like automobiles and alcohol should never be mixed. Both are deadly. That fact alone prejudices me against Mr Green. Reckless Homicide sounds about right, IF the facts are as presented.


14 posted on 01/10/2014 4:46:46 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: driftdiver

I think it would be allowed in Florida. Here is a recent Appeals Court case that is similar:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/01/flappeals-court-vindicates-concealed.html


15 posted on 01/10/2014 5:11:16 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain
What's the absolute first rule? Don't go stupid places with stupid people.
16 posted on 01/10/2014 5:34:35 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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In CO if you are reasonably in fear for your life, you can use deadly force to protect yourself. Given the fact that people have died from a single blow I would say any physical altercation is potentially life threatening. At any point in a fight someone may pick up a weapon, a rock, bottle, tire iron, etc. So letting yourself be beaten senseless or stunned just leaves you defenseless. I'd say any physical attack involving punches, kicks, throws is potentially deadly.

That said, alcohol and firearms do not mix - unless you're using some kind of alcohol based cleaner/de-greaser. In CO he would be in violation of the law for being in possession of a firearm while under the influence. If I'm going out, even for just one beer with friends while watching a game - the Glock stays home.

17 posted on 01/10/2014 5:38:49 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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"Milwaukee may have a special local term for it that I'm unfamiliar with. "

My vote is for "Ridiculously Disgusting". "Chicagoan" as an alternate . . .
18 posted on 01/10/2014 5:40:48 AM PST by BraveMan
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I do not know that he drank any alcohol. It would be interesting to know if he did.

I did not see it mentioned in the articles I read about the case.


19 posted on 01/10/2014 5:47:01 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: driftdiver

Wow, that doesn’t really make sense.


20 posted on 01/10/2014 5:51:35 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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