Posted on 12/26/2013 10:12:33 AM PST by Fawn
It is important to note that the only person to “see” and authenticate the long form birth certificate of one President Barrack H. Obama is now dead in a plane crash. Even more controversial is the one that they submitted as truth on the Whitehouse.gov website is 10 layered in Photo Shop and thought to be fake. The conspiracy never seems to die.
Now a whistle blower comes forward and claims she forged Obama’s birth certificate in 1985. She doesn’t just claim that she did the long form, but the short form as well. Both those claims if proven are enough to make people worry about who really is our President.
Funny how this person is not only a family member but also insists she did it for the drug cartels in Mexico. Fast and Furious and the Federal Court ruling to include drugs and child smuggling make more sense now.
If she forged the BC in 1985, then why didn’t obama release that one. Why the need for new forgeries? What’s the difference between all of them? It can’t be only that Owens made a mistake on a date by one day. It has to be more.
She claims that Owens is barrack’s name. Is that name on any BC? Is it Nancy Owens who chose obama sr as barrack’s dad?
Is there a connection between Beauchamp and Dunham? Did they hang out together? Why else would Stanley Ann adopt a child at her age?
Will there be any DNA testing?
What does Mark have to say about all this? Yikes! he has a book coming out soon. Maybe barrack is trying to cover up some stuff before hand?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ttPNiyLtAA
there’s plenty more where that came from, down the right hand side, watch them all.
So what are the circumstances of these ppl who are dying while wearing life vests? Are they floating in frigid water? Are they battling storm seas of fifteen or twenty feet? How long do they remain in the water prior to drowning?
You’re really not providing much info. If a person, for example, fell into Lake Superior wearing a life vest, he/she wd die in a fairly short space of time, barring a very quick rescue. The water is frigid even in summer. If they fell in during heavy seas, the odds of survival are close to zero. Unless & until you provide more info re: the circumstances under which the life-vest-wearing ppl are drowning, your statistics have little to no bearing on the Fuddy case.
I started listening to your Youtube link, for about 3 or 4 minutes and I saw nothing crazy about her.
Tell me the time in the Youtube video where she is ‘raving’.
Her face does not look insane to me.
She does not rock my boat but apparently she has pissed in your Cheerios.
There are a dozen or so videos in which she appears. If one doesn’t show you what ails her, maybe you need to watch a few. There’s lots to choose from.
ok. I’ll step out of the conversation since I cannot watch the vids. Dial up makes it impossible.
I’ll give you a clue. A psychopathic liar shows no emotion, they are not enganged in the subject they are lying about, she speaks of killing people, of destroying her fetus, there’s no guilt, no sorrow. She’s totally without a SOUL.
And you tell me she’s credible?
That’s incredibly sad imo. You want to believe, so you overlook the obvious signs you are watching a woman who has stepped into unreality and has probably driven her family and a dozen psychiatrists up the wall.
No one peed in my cheerios.
But I can see if someone peed in yours, you wouldn’t even notice.
No, you are not missing that part. However you are missing the part where the autopsy results haven’t been released yet. The coroner of Maui County is still waiting for the toxicology results to come back from the lab.
The coroner wouldn’t want to announce a cause of death and then find out that Loretta Fuddy had been drunk, stoned, high on Valium for a fear of flying or loaded on OxyContin, let alone poisoned with a substance that does indeed leave a trace.
Sudden cardiac arrest (SCA), often misunderstood as a massive heart attack, is a treatable condition that does not have to lead to sudden death. When someone suffers SCA, he or she may be fine one minute and then collapse without warning the next. Without immediate intervention, the victim almost always dies. Sudden Cardiac Arrest is THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE U.S., affecting more people than breast cancer, prostate cancer, colorectal cancer, AIDS, traffic accidents, house fires and gunshot wounds combined. Only 11% survive nationally—but 38% or more could survive with proper and immediate intervention.
http://saynotostigma.com/2012/09/pseudologia-fantastica-the-truth-about-pathological-liars/
Pseudologia fantastica: the truth about pathological liars
The NTSB said the coroner had not determined a cause of death yet. If injuries from the landing had killed her those would have been identifiable upon examination.
It’s not a website management issue. Within the past year they have updated their pilot list at least twice (and possibly more) because archive.org took screenshots of their page listing the pilots and there were different pilots listed at 3 different times within the past year or so. They changed their pilot list 3 times while Kawasaki was supposedly flying for them and all 3 times they forgot to put him on? Once is a mistake, twice is a coincidence, and 3 times is enemy action, they say. “Missing” Kawasaki on the list at least 3 times is not a matter of “website management”.
They had no trouble finding Fuddy. According to the reports of what the rescuers said, Fuddy was the first one they came to. She was not treading water or swimming during the 30 minutes before help arrived; she was holding the hand of her deputy director (which would have been a crazy thing for him to do if she needed her hands to tread water and keep from drowning as everybody suggests) until she let go and went unresponsive. IOW, she passed out or died without any signs of drowning or of needing to use her hands to keep from drowning. In the time after she passed out or died, she drifted 200 yards from the nearest other person. She was mostly submerged except for what was held out of the water by the life vest, which means the wind would not have carried her like it carried the cushions, and the motion of waves is bobbing in a circle except where the waves break, where there is forward motion.
“Natural causes” is the MODE of death. There are 3 modes: natural, suicide, and homicide. Our stillborn daughter died of natural causes. Probably pneumonia brought on by inhalation of meconium, but a very short umbilical cord may have also played a role. The absence of almost all the amniotic fluid may also have played a role. Cause of death was respiratory infection; we don’t know why she had respiratory infection and that’s OK because an autopsy can’t always determine the cause for the cause of death. Mode of death was natural causes. They had a cause of death (respiratory infection) even though the mode of death was “natural causes”.
The autopsy examination should be able to find out where the final demise stemmed from - heart, brain, or lungs.If Fuddy drowned that should have been immediately clear. If she had a heart attack that should have been immediately clear. If she had an aneurysm or stroke that should have been immediately clear. If she died of blood loss or shock that should also have been immediately clear.
Apparently you haven’t listened to much of what anybody is saying, or else you aren’t absorbing the reasons for the questions:
1. The stories shifted. Always trying to explain why Fuddy died.
2. The NTSB did not follow proper protocols and allowed the engine to be TAKEN OFF THE FULLY-INTACT PLANE by someone before the salvage crew came to retrieve the plane from waters too deep to be impacted by waves. That is SERIOUSLY CONTAMINATED evidence. The evidence was allowed to be dismantled before the salvage crew picked it up!
3. The NTSB also did not follow proper protocols in the case of ANOTHER Cessna 208 crash just 50 days earlier and within 25 miles of this one - even though the NTSB had only declared 2 cases of engine failure for the Cessna 208 in the previous 34 YEARS and the sparks on the Oct 21 incident and the death associated with the Dec 11 incident both MANDATE an investigation, with the evidence to be treated as if it was a crime scene.
4. The “officials” have muddied the waters regarding who ordered the autopsy. NTSB protocols mandated an autopsy which makes that autopsy a public record, but hospital personnel told the public that the records are private, as if it the autopsy was at the request of the family. The Maui police lt said the NTSB was in charge of finding the cause of death but it is the coroner’s office that is in charge of that. The coroner’s office was not communicating to the NTSB the cause of death and eventually the NTSB said that the coroner’s office had not yet determined a cause of death.
5. The mortuary apparently told Orly Taitz that the family could choose to cremate the body even at the last minute (even though a burial permit had to be secured before that, and I believe it has to designate the manner and place of burial), and the family would not say whether the body was being cremated. A strange thing for the coroner’s office to allow, since they didn’t have any conclusive cause of death in the middle of what the NTSB was to consider a “crime scene investigation”.
6. Fuddy died after the forced landing, in a situation where her deputy director didn’t believe she needed her hands to keep herself from drowning, in water that would have taken 3-12 hours to give her fatigue from hypothermia, where she had no visible injuries, and where an autopsy examination was not able to find injuries or medical conditions that caused her death, according to the NTSB.
7. The head of the NTSB that allowed contamination of both these “crime scenes” is an Obama appointee.
8. The pilot in this flight has never been listed as a pilot for Makani Kai. The pilots in the Oct 21 Cessna failure were highly praised but never named. Again, the NTSB did not handle that investigation properly and allowed the evidence to be contaminated, leaving the plane unattended overnight. They’ve had 2 months to look at that engine that failed and still haven’t come up with a cause for it.
9. I’ve been told by an experienced pilot that these conditions are how a manufactured engine failure would be the easiest to pull off and survive. He said he could probably pull it off with a near-100-percent likelihood of survival. The center of gravity for the Cessna 208 is behind the wings so the danger of flipping isn’t as high as some might think. The time from take-off to when the engine stopped would work with the easiest scenario for deliberately causing an engine to stop - based on training that all pilots receive; the way the story played out fits with that scenario. I can’t remember from the link he gave me, but I think it’s around 8% of plane crashes are determined by the NTSB to be deliberate sabotage - sometimes for insurance purposes, sometimes for even more nefarious purposes.
10. Makani Kai received help from the Obama regime, was allowed by Obama’s NTSB to have unmonitored access to the wreckage for 6 days, and is headed by a democrat politically-connected enough that he ran for state public office and who provided the most emotional moment at Fuddy’s memorial service.
There are definite reasons for questions. And as with almost everything I’ve researched in the past 6 years, the biggest problem as I see it is the lack of integrity by those with the responsibility to investigate. We’ve seen it at EVERY level of government but especially at the federal level of Obama’s regime. The big stink about Benghazi is the documented public lies and the official investigation which was a total whitewash, followed by the promotion of the people who should have been (at the very least) fired for incompetence or treason. The same thing happened with IRS-gate. And Fast and Furious. Three times is no accident; this regime is sabotaging the rule of law and using federal agencies to cover up crimes committed for their own political purposes. Anybody who can’t see that at this point is hopelessly gullible, willfully blind, or treasonous.
The NTSB’s actions in BOTH the Cessna engine failures in Hawaii in the past 2 months raise the question of whether they are just one more federal agency used to cover up crimes committed for the regime’s political purposes.
Why are you attacking me and being so rude? Why insult me?
I previously wrote that I am stepping out of the conversation because I cannot watch the videos due to being on dial up.
Is there a comprehension disconnect on your part?
If she had died of a heart attack they would have a cause of death.
Please stop posting to me.
Thank you.
You’re welcome.
Fuddy’s deputy director, Keith Yamamoto, told the priest (who gave last rites to Fuddy afterwards)that he had held Fuddy’s hand to help calm her down, until she let go and became unresponsive. She was distressed before she had any time to have physical effects from the water. She did not die of drowning. She died or became responsive BEFORE drifting off, so no, she was not treading water at any time and the drifting happened without any action on her part.
I don’t have time and really don’t care.
I think some freepers have it right in that this may be a distraction from something else, maybe the Fuddy death.
But one thing is curious and may be connected in that Zullo’s investigators have mentioned a few times about the identity of the forger being known. And knowing that Zullo is no fool, he would not say or hint about the identity of the forger unless it was solid. On the other hand Zulls’s forger may have no connection with Owens.
The woman does not look crazy. I have met people that have worked for organized crime and she fits the mold, nothing crazy or attractive, just resigned to reality of vicious, deceitful and dangerous people.
Her coming out now, the reasons for it, are unclear.
Her references to JFK Jr. are suspect.
But Al Capone had gangsters dress up as cops and get away with it. He paid judges to look the other way on his businesses. With gangsters, one never knows what they’re capable of.
This lady gives names and dates. A little research shows her testimony is ‘plausible’, not necessarily true, but plausible.
One of the better posts on this subject is #116.
You would do better to give times in the videos you claim when she is shown to be crazy, and also give facts that discredit her.
If she died of cardiac arrest that would have been evident immediately. They would have a cause of death. The toxicology report could say what precipitated the cardiac arrest if it was related to drugs, but the cause of death would still be cardiac arrest. The NTSB said that the coroner had not determined a cause of death.
You have already indicated you can’t watch the videos, so why bother to continue to maintain she’s credible, when the videos clearly show she’s stark raving bonkers...
The autopsy failed to identify the cause of death. Iow, it isn’t a case where the cause of death was determined but the announcement is being delayed. What was announced was that the autopsy failed to determine the cause of death. Either you believe this is a lie—& if so, why did they lie?—or you must conclude that following the autopsy, the cause of death remained undetermined.
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