Posted on 12/14/2013 6:33:19 PM PST by parksstp
Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston has won the 2013 Heisman Trophy.
Winston is only the second redshirt freshman to win the award after Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel was handed the trophy as a redshirt freshman last year. Winston is the third player in school history to earn the distinction, following former Seminole QBs Charlie Ward ('93) and Chris Weinke ('€™00).
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passed judgement on him without reading the report?
I went through all 86 pages and the additional 38 pages of released information from the investigation, and anybody that goes through it will conclude the girl is clearly lying.
First, she DID say she was hit on the head, but no evidence of it. She said she had been intoxicated, but blood alcohol levels show they were nowhere near blackout levels, neither was their any presence of drugs in her urine.
Second, she told people she took a shot from a stranger, but the only person witnesses saw her take drinks from was Marcus Jordan
Third, the Text “Meet me outside” which she an Monique Kessler say they saw on the victim’s phone never existed. Verizon’s phone records were subpeonaed and determined that the message was never on the victim’s phone.
Fourth, Kessler was adamant victim stay around while she go to bathroom for safety, but later when victim supposedly got the “meet me outside” text and shows it to Kessler asking if she should go, Kessler says if she wants to? Yeah, right.
Fifth, the injuries the victim had on her knees and elbow are consistent with the “oral” activities described by Casher and Darby, although the victim says no oral activities took place.
Sixth, the accuser has all sorts of memories for detailed specifics, such a colored sheets, scooters, cab, etc, but when she changes her story over and over again from “hit on the head” to “blacking out” to “taking a shot -drugged” police were chasing ghosts.
Seventh, the ambulance chaser attorney is claiming that “anyone can pee in a cup” suggesting that the accuser’s blood and urine were switched which is why the “date rape” drug wasn’t present. Sure. Or the accuser was just lying.
Eigth, after getting dropped off, accuser gets texts messages telling her they’ve got answers to the Spa-2 Exam, which victim replies immediately to pleease send them. This happened even before she got back to her dorm, but was supposedly blacking out.
Ninth, accuser’s boyfriend, Jamal Roberts, who also happens to be a football player at Kent State, at some point, visited the accuser in Tallahassee that same week. Either that, or the accuser doesn’t wash her clothes very well as his DNA was still on her shorts. It seemed clear she wouldn’t want people to find out where she had been.
Tenth, although she deleted it, Google Cache and her Twitter handle clearly show she followed the hashtag #FSUCleatChaser. She even went to games as most recently as the Miami game. Sure, that’s normal to go to the game and cheer the guy you accused of rape on? Yeah.
Elventh, Patricia Carroll, the ambulance chaser planted a story on the accuser to tell her friend Monique Kessler that they had shared clothes (this is before it became clear that the DNA on the shorts was Jamal Roberts). When asked by police during her interview, Kessler said she could not recall them sharing clothes, let alone the fact that Kessler is 5”8 and the accuser is 5”5 so the sharing of shorts would not be realistic.
I could go on and on, but these were the details in the report that the mainstream sports media failed to report. These issues are precisely the reason why Willie Meggs didn’t charge Winston and why there will be no Civil Suit by the ambulance chaser against TPD or Winston because the facts fall apart quickly.
There is evidence that one of two things happened: (1) She thought she was going to be more than a side piece and since Winston had a GF also, turned out that wasn’t the case and regretted the action. (2) Chris Casher says he tried to video the girl and Winston. Perhaps the girl thought he had actually recorded something and she was afraid it would get out on the internet. Or she is just plain lying trying to earn a buck as a cleatchaser.
I suggest everyone read the report and released interviews for themselves. Once you realize the lamestream media is doing what they do best (withholding reporting facts), you’ll realize Winston was innocent and the act was consensual.
At least we know 12% of Heisman voters have integrity.
Hard for me to believe that number is so low.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I’m impressed at your documentation.
Is that kind of post even allowed on FR anymore? I thought we were just supposed to shoot from the hip.
I think you meant to say "heir" and not "air." Regardless, that is a shameful comment given that the DA declined to bring charges due to exculpatory eyewitness testimony, serious discrepancies in the accuser's accounts, and the presence of multiple sets of DNA in the young lass's underwear. It is now evident that the young woman wanted to cash in on a consensual encounter.
I’m not impressed. Generally when the alleged rapist’s DNA is on the victim, and the victim has clear injuries, and the rape was reported to police immediately, I would expect charges to be filed.
If there were no injuries to the victim I could understand the decision.
And that’s saying nothing of the massive police coverup that lasted a year prior to the decision not to press charges.
If I was the victim I would sue for sure!
Apparently there’s no money in this for Gloria Allred.
Yes, I did mean “heir.” And yes, Winston was exonerated by the DA, and OJ was exonerated by a jury who managed to also somehow find exculpatory evidence in the testimony of numerous witnesses.
At least we know 12% of Heisman voters have integrity.
Hard for me to believe that number is so low.
Those 12 percent should be investigated to ensure that they went by the rules and picked the best players and didn’t use their bias in picking the Heisman Trophy. If they chose a person who was not as good a player as Winston then I believe charges should be brought on those that cheated in the pick and chose an inferior player because they used their personal opinion and not the professional opinion that they should have. It is as bad as those of you who bashed those poor Duke Lacrosse players. I feel sorry for Winston and pray that he will survive the Lacrosse curse.
Glory be to my Alma Mater. What a great day for Florida State and the United States of America. The best player won regardless of your personal opinion of him. His playing on the field is the ONLY thing that must be looked at. Your nasty comments about Winston and the Duke players gets tiring. Get over it. Some woman are liars and we have seen this twice in recent times.
I think a more appropriate comparison would be with Kobe Bryant. A jock chasing female with more than one dude’s semen in her laundry.
... I believe charges should be brought on those that cheated in the pick and chose an inferior player because they used their personal opinion and not the professional opinion that they should have.
I hope you copied and pasted this from Semi-Satire or The Onion, because this has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on FreeRepublic.
Kobe Bryant won the Heisman?
;-)
you’ll realize Winston was innocent and the act was consensual.
I don’t think this was a rape, but I don’t think Winston is “innocent” in the truest sense of the word either.
I also think if the situation was reversed (white male and black female) Sharpton and Jesse would have been in town, but that is not Winston’s fault.
Like I said, he deserved the award as the best player this season for his on the field performance, but I am still surprised only 12% of the voters found him morally insufficient for such an honor. I don’t think any of this really sinks in for Winston, but I sure would not want my daughter to date him or marry him. The fact that his roommate either wanted to “join in” or “go next” and was willing to film it seems to indicate such behavior was normal for these young men.
Before anyone says it - I know these young men are not choir boys, but shouldn’t such an award have a requirement of honorable character? Perhaps it says more about our society and it is obvious Winston is oblivious to it all. His quote “I knew I did nothing wrong” tonight says it all.
In legal terms he is most likely correct. In moral terms it seemed quite Clintonesque to me. I wonder what his girlfriend thought about it all?
OJ was not exonerated by exculpatory eyewitness testimony; he was acquitted a jury of black women who didn't mind that he killed a white woman who stole one of "their" men. In Winston's case, the DA knew that Erica Kinsman (her identity is well known at FSU and on the internet) engaged in consensual sexual activity with multiple black football players, and that her belated "rape" claim against Winston was a lie.
lol. Hopefully you got a chuckle. I really don’t care about the trophy. What I care about is that people keep accusing these players of rape and then after their lives are ruined they say, “oops. Sorry you are good to go”. The Duke Lacrosse Team was the worst but it seems to be happening more and more lately.
He can do anything! :)
Defensive players need not apply, and defense wins championships.
did you read the report?
The only “clear” injuries the victim had was bruising that began to appear on her elbows and knees while she was at the hospital. This corraborates the story that she was in a position giving oral sex to Winston.
There was no head trauma as she described and the nurse only recorded headache pain, which if she was drinking and witnesses said she wasn’t a big drinker could easily be a hangover.
There were no signs of forced entry or tearing. The only thing that is listed is what the alleged victim reported, but the nurse had nothing to back it up.
As for the police cover-up, what coverup? They did their job if you read the report. She gave them multiple stories. She actually wasn’t the person who called the police to begin with.
Willie Meggs is a hardnose against FSU athletes who has done ZERO favors for any FSU athletes. If you think he’s going to go down for protecting an athlete, you don’t know the man. He’s prosecuted with far less. One guy he charged with assault even after they had passed 3 polygraphs (they were eventually acquitted). If the evidence had been there, he would have charged Winston, but it was clear the woman was providing misleading information. Kessler’s interview was particularly damning.
For every Hall of Fame caliber NFL quarterback like Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning and Brett Favre who has never come close to winning a Heisman Trophy, the archives of the Heisman are littered with several mediocrities like Gino Torretta, Charlie Ward, Chris Weinke, Troy Smith and Tim Tebow who can't even keep a spot on an NFL roster.
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