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CATO Institute & Daily Caller Declares Foreign-Born Persons Eligible To Be President
Obama Release Your Records ^ | 8-27-2013 | llya Shapiro

Posted on 08/27/2013 2:27:12 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter

As we head into a potential government shutdown over the funding of Obamacare, the iconoclastic junior senator from Texas — love him or hate him — continues to stride across the national stage. With his presidential aspirations as big as everything in his home state, by now many know what has never been a secret: Ted Cruz was born in Canada.

But does that mean that Cruz’s presidential ambitions are gummed up with maple syrup or stuck in snowdrifts altogether different from those plaguing the Iowa caucuses? Are the birthers now hoist on their own petards, having been unable to find any proof that President Obama was born outside the United States but forcing their comrade-in-boots to disqualify himself by releasing his Alberta birth certificate?

No, actually, and it’s not even that complicated; you just have to look up the right law. It boils down to whether Cruz is a “natural born citizen” of the United States, the only class of people constitutionally eligible for the presidency. (The Founding Fathers didn’t want their newly independent nation to be taken over by foreigners on the sly.)

What’s a “natural born citizen”? The Constitution doesn’t say, but the Framers’ understanding, combined with statutes enacted by the First Congress, indicate that the phrase means both birth abroad to American parents — in a manner regulated by federal law — and birth within the nation’s territory regardless of parental citizenship. The Supreme Court has confirmed that definition on multiple occasions in various contexts.

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So the one remaining question is whether Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth. That’s an easy one. The Nationality Act of 1940 outlines which children become “nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.”

(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2016; birthcertificate; catoinstitute; certifigate; congress; constitution; corruption; education; electionfraud; eligibility; fraud; mediabias; medialies; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; teaparty; tedcruz; tyranny
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To: Sherman Logan

“””“NOT SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION OF THE UNITED STATES”

I believe this phrase has been generally defined by the courts as excluding only those with diplomatic immunity”””

How did that ever come about? Does a Brit born in the U.S. not owe allegiance to the U.K.? Does a child born abroad to U.S. citizens not owe allegiance to the U.S.?

“””Anybody else in this country is subject to its jurisdiction, as they will quickly find out if caught in criminality.”””

Does that mean it’s okay if a U.S. citizen goes to China to commit treason against the U.S.? Is it then not a crime because it wasn’t committed within U.S. jurisdiction? Can said U.S. citizen then return to the U.S. free and clear of all criminal prosecution because the illegal act didn’t occur on U.S. soil?

I’m stopped from accepting the courts’ supposed definition of “subject to the jurisdiction” by the VERY deliberate “NOT OWING ALLEGIANCE TO ANYBODY ELSE” 14th Amendment clarification made by Trumbull himself in the Congressional Record.


121 posted on 08/28/2013 9:05:35 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: Jeff Winston
Jeff, why are you still beating the Bayard drum? Particularly since -

You KNOW Bayard's writing was not intended for legal purposes , was a historical book for use in 'the education of youths'

You KNOW the 'authorities' you quote to imply they approved of what he said actually only approved of the project itself. {See above link}

AND you KNOW that Bayard was quoting the 1790 Naturalization Act, not giving his legal opinion of the current definition for his time, because it has been brought to your attention by more than one poster.

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Yet here you are, hopping from thread to thread, spreading your drek and spouting 'facts' without sources.

No wonder you've become such a laughing stock.

122 posted on 08/28/2013 9:08:21 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: DiogenesLamp
This is why people hate lawyers.

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—nothing more, nothing less." - Humpty Dumpty

123 posted on 08/28/2013 9:11:30 AM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: Rides3

Statements of intent made during debate on the floor of Congress are interesting, but are not definitive as to the meaning of a law.

Judicial decisions applying that law, OTOH, are definitive.

As I said, I’m not at all sure the courts have interpreted 14A properly. I am sure, however, that precedent supports the position I outlined.

I also don’t think Roe v Wade interpreted the Constitution properly. But my opinion is rather comprehensively irrelevant.

Under our system the Supremes decide what the Constitution means, until overruled by an amendment or by Congress restricting their jurisdiction.

You and I can disagree if we like, but our disagreement will have zero effect.


124 posted on 08/28/2013 9:13:52 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Citizenship which comes from a Congressional law *IS* naturalization.”

^ - This.

Yes, it really is that simple folks.

Congress’s Constitutionally defined role as defined in Article 1, Section 8 is solely dealing with naturalization laws and rules.

This is why so many involuntary expatriation laws that deal with natural citizens have been struck down. Congress can set conditions and requirements for naturalized citizens. And that included those born to a single American parent. Up until 1978 a person with with the attributes of Cruz and Cruz himself had a residency requirement. And the court supported this in 1971 as part of Congress’s role in setting requirements - for NATURALIZED citizens, not NATURAL citizens.


125 posted on 08/28/2013 9:16:02 AM PDT by bluecat6
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To: Sherman Logan

“””Statements of intent made during debate on the floor of Congress are interesting, but are not definitive as to the meaning of a law.

Judicial decisions applying that law, OTOH, are definitive.”””

I’m asking how the courts’ supposed definition came about. Does a Brit born in the U.S. not owe allegiance to the U.K.? Does a child born abroad to U.S. citizens not owe allegiance to the U.S.?

Will the courts similarly rule that it’s okay if a U.S. citizen goes to China to commit treason against the U.S.? That it’s not a crime because it wasn’t committed within U.S. jurisdiction? Will the courts rule that said U.S. citizen can return to the U.S. free and clear of all criminal prosecution because the illegal act didn’t occur on U.S. soil?


126 posted on 08/28/2013 9:26:23 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: Nero Germanicus
The retention requirements were repealed for those who acquired citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens. How does that render everything else SCOTUS said in Rogers v. Bellei moot?

Congress still has the power to revoke their citizenship by passing another statute. Granted, that is likely an impossibility in today's world, but I am struggling to get past that point. Congress cannot strip 14th Amendment citizens of their citizenship without their consent.

127 posted on 08/28/2013 9:26:40 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Neither do I... I’m just arguing the facts here. Cruz is born outside of the US. That should make him ineligible. That doesn’t make him a bad man.


128 posted on 08/28/2013 9:32:08 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Rides3
Does a Brit born in the U.S. not owe allegiance to the U.K.?

Under present law in the two countries, I believe he has dual citizenship. Unless one of his parents has diplomatic immunity.

Does a child born abroad to U.S. citizens not owe allegiance to the U.S.?

Well, there's a pretty prominent example in history. W. Churchill. Mom was an American citizen, Dad a Brit politician. He had dual citizenship till he was 21, when he had to choose one or the other. If Cruz is eligible to be President, then presumably Winnie would have been had he chosen to be an American.

Will the courts similarly rule that it’s okay if a U.S. citizen goes to China to commit treason against the U.S.? That it’s not a crime because it wasn’t committed within U.S. jurisdiction? Will the courts rule that said U.S. citizen can return to the U.S. free and clear of all criminal prosecution because the illegal act didn’t occur on U.S. soil?

I think you're mixing up issues that have nothing to do with inheritance of citizenship. But I'm no lawyer, and I'll leave it to those who are to answer your questions.

129 posted on 08/28/2013 9:32:13 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

FWIW, you’re welcome.


130 posted on 08/28/2013 9:33:30 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Sherman Logan

Agreed.


131 posted on 08/28/2013 9:34:33 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: bluecat6
Citizenship which comes from a Congressional law *IS* naturalization.”
^ - This.
Yes, it really is that simple folks.

Exactly. The Founders gave the authority of Naturalization to the federal organ, but natural born citizenship is a product of Natural Law, which Mankind cannot affect.

Whenever I see posters say 'we need the Supreme Court to give us a definition of natural born!' I just....... cringe.

132 posted on 08/28/2013 9:35:40 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: Sherman Logan

“””Under present law in the two countries, I believe he has dual citizenship. Unless one of his parents has diplomatic immunity.”””

So when does one country’s jurisdiction end and the other’s begin? Or is such a person with conflicting allegiances also subject to conflicting jurisdictions and conflicting laws which may or may not be adverse to one of the countries involved?

“””I think you’re mixing up issues that have nothing to do with inheritance of citizenship.”””

No, it’s a question of jurisdiction. How is a matter resolved when there is an issue of countries’ conflicting jurisdictions?


133 posted on 08/28/2013 9:43:53 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: JCBreckenridge

IMHO, we need a definitive SCOTUS decision on whether or not statutory citizens at birth are NBC under the meaning of the Constitution.

Clearly, the Constitution grants Congress the power to decide which individuals must be naturalized in order to acquire U.S. citizenship. The question in my mind then, is does that power include the right to decide that certain individuals do not require naturalization because they were born citizens?


134 posted on 08/28/2013 9:45:56 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Why?

Do you really want someone who’s a Syrian national for the first 20 years of his life, trained by the Muslim Brotherhood, comes to America illegally - marries an American woman and then gets citizenship.

Say the brotherhood gives them money and then they buy a house. He resides in the house - runs for the HOR, then the Senate when he’s 40.

Wins the presidency.

Is this really what you want?


135 posted on 08/28/2013 9:57:53 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: Rides3

Countries by treaty have reciprocal recognition of their naturalization laws.

The international status of a foreign born child of a US citizen may differ depending upon treaty.

That person may visit a country with which the US has secured by treaty reciprocal naturalization understandings without fear of claims upon him by the foreign country.

That same person may visit a country with which the US has not secured by treaty reciprocal naturalization understandings but at the risk of claims upon him by the foreign country.

While this person’s domestic status is the same, his international status depends upon treaty.

A “natural born citizen” - a person born within the US with parental US citizenship - has no such risk. His domestic and international status is always the same, without any dependency upon law or treaty, no other nation may make any claim upon this person.

Can a person who’s international status is dependent upon law or treaty be said to be a “natural born citizen”?


136 posted on 08/28/2013 10:01:58 AM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Some of us have higher standards. Others don’t think it’s important that the highest office of the land have a leader without divided loyalties.

I've been arguing that point here since 2008, 4 years before you even signed up.

137 posted on 08/28/2013 10:07:00 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Citizenship which comes from a Congressional law *IS* naturalization.

So what? Congress can pass laws as to granting cititzenship or anything else as it sees fit. They can pin a medal on a soldier's chest and call him a hero. The medal doesn't make him a hero. His actions in battle do that. And a lack of a medal from congress doesn't make that soldier a coward.

The Constitution says; "natural born citizen". I say Cruz is one. You say he's not. But neither you nor I nor congress gets to define the term. SCOTUS has that job. So, let them rule on it. AFAIAK, until they say NO, it's YES.

I hope he runs.

138 posted on 08/28/2013 10:11:04 AM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

So why then are you hassling me?


139 posted on 08/28/2013 10:12:13 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: bluecat6
Up until 1978 a person with with the attributes of Cruz and Cruz himself had a residency requirement.

I'm glad to see this finally pointed out. The residency requirement was repealed Oct. 10, 1978, by Pub. L. 95–432

The 1952 Act, Pub. L. 82-414, has been amended a number of times.

Pub. L. 82-414 June 27, 1952   66 Stat. 235
Pub. L. 89–770 Nov. 6, 1966 80 Stat. 1322
Pub. L. 92–584 Oct. 27, 1972 86 Stat. 1289
Pub. L. 95–432 Oct. 10, 1978 92 Stat. 1046
Pub. L. 99–653, § 12 Nov. 14, 1986 100 Stat. 3657
Pub. L. 103–416, title I, § 101(a)   Oct. 25, 1994 108 Stat. 4306

If there is an amendment missing or some other inaccuracy or deficiency please let me know.

140 posted on 08/28/2013 10:23:20 AM PDT by Ray76 (Common sense immigration reform: Enforce Existing Law)
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