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The Modern Defensive Rifle
The San Fernando Valley NRA Members' Council ^ | 6/1/2013 | Me!

Posted on 06/01/2013 11:56:49 AM PDT by Redcloak

After some careful consideration, I've decided that I don't like the term "Modern sporting rifle" to describe firearms like the AR-15 or semi-auto versions of the Kalashnikov. Yes, they're modern. Yes, they're rifles. And yes, they can be used for shooting sports. But the 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods. Calling these guns "Modern sporting rifles" is like saying that the Founders bled and died to preserve our right to engage in sports; to play games. It would be like saying that they fought to ensure that they and their descendents would forever have the liberty to engage in Pilates or badminton.

The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to protect the right of The People to keep and bear arms; from the Latin Arma, meaning weapons. The State's interest in all of this is to maintain an armed populace from which to draw upon to form the Militia. But, the State's interest in the Militia is not the reason for the Amendment. The 2nd Amendment is a recognition of the People's preexisting right to have weapons for their own purposes. The "Sporting purposes" provision of the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a perversion of that concept. It treats the firearm as a sort of dangerous toy in need of regulation rather than as a Constitutionally protected weapon. Calling these rifles "Modern sporting rifles" adds legitimacy to that view.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: ar15; banglist; guncontrol; kalashnikov; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: Redcloak

I’m saying don’t. Don’t engage them as they will turn everything you say no matter your good intention, and compromise your efforts with semantics.

They will say “assault rifle” no matter you saying “modern defensive rifle” ‘til you are blue in your face.

I appreciate your intent, but we’re dealing with borg.


21 posted on 06/01/2013 12:49:39 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I’m not talking about convincing people like Michael Bloomberg or Dianne Feinstein. There’s nothing that will ever convince them that mere peasants should possess arms. I’m talking about how to speak to the targets of their propaganda; those who know nothing of firearms other than what they see on TV or in the movies.


22 posted on 06/01/2013 12:54:26 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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Thanks to whoever added the banglist keyword. I completely forgot to add that!
23 posted on 06/01/2013 12:58:22 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak

self-defense rifle


24 posted on 06/01/2013 1:35:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Redcloak

Defense against human or animal. ?

Lions, tigers an bears oh my .....12Ga shotgun

Criminals ...,. My M4gery in 300 blackout is current tool

Glock 31 on me till I can get to one of the above.

Bumpin the thread ...stay safe !


25 posted on 06/01/2013 1:36:44 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Secret Agent Man
self-defense rifle

Another good choice.

26 posted on 06/01/2013 1:39:08 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Squantos

At the risk of hijacking my own thread, how do you like the .300 Blackout?


27 posted on 06/01/2013 1:41:19 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak

good points

Our ancestors wouldn’t be doing Pilates right now; by now, they would have been shooting.


28 posted on 06/01/2013 1:43:02 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Redcloak

Utility rifle sounds good.


29 posted on 06/01/2013 2:07:52 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Squantos

Ours are Homeland Defense rifles.


30 posted on 06/01/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: mountainlion
The term “Assault Rifle” was started by the anti gun group.

Term "Assault Rifle" was started by the Germans in WWII with their Sturmgewehr 44 which transliterates into Storm Rifle, also called Assault Rifle.

The term "Assault Weapon" was a bastardization of the term "Assault Rifle" by the anti-gun groups culminated in the legislation commonly referred to as the "Assault Weapons Ban of 1994."

31 posted on 06/01/2013 2:14:53 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: GenXteacher

That’s also a good choice. “Utility” implies a tool while “sporting” implies a toy. It’s much easier to convince someone that they have a God-given right to the former rather than the latter.


32 posted on 06/01/2013 2:15:24 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Many of those Marlins .22 rifles are legally “assault weapons” in New Jersey.


33 posted on 06/01/2013 2:18:15 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: mountainlion

Hitler’s Sturmgewehr StG44. Gun grabbers are fascinated with fascist tactics.


34 posted on 06/01/2013 2:38:02 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Goldsborough

Wasn’t the M-14 simply `the greatest battle implement ever devised’? I know, Patton said that about the Garand.

Introduced to M-14 in 1969, the M-16 in 1970. Loved the former & hated the latter ever since.


35 posted on 06/01/2013 2:53:18 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: TigersEye

CZ vz-58 Sporter. Nicest 7.62x39 available. Yours looks just like mine...


36 posted on 06/01/2013 3:16:37 PM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: elcid1970
"Wasn’t the M-14 simply `the greatest battle implement ever devised’? I know, Patton said that about the Garand." - elcid1970

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Patton was clever and chose his words wisely, which is why it is worth noting that he *also* said that the 2.5 ton truck was the greatest weapon in war. Just not a battle implement.

Patton, unlike the German High Command (who were using mules for re-supply ops in WW2), recognized that getting ammo, food, fuel, and reinforcements to combat troops was more important than wonder weapons.

37 posted on 06/01/2013 3:25:27 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Redcloak

As a factual matter, firearms are tools. Specialized ones, at that. Same as a screwdriver or a hammer- you use different ones for different things. All of the above can be used as weapons, too.


38 posted on 06/01/2013 3:31:47 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher
As I was researching that post, I looked up the etymology of the Latin Arma. The proposed Indo-European root for the word includes the sense that a weapon is a tool. That a-tool-is-just-a-weapon connection is an ancient one.
39 posted on 06/01/2013 3:46:42 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Exactly. We are in fact dealing with the intellectual equivalent of the Borg, or perhaps Zombies.

Don’t even bother with them because they are a lost cause.

Any reasonable undecided person in ear shot of the conversation is who we have to concentrate on.


40 posted on 06/01/2013 4:54:06 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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