I'll try to remember that. :)
Posted on 05/16/2013 7:14:53 AM PDT by Skywise
Saw it last night. Couldn't make sense of certain aspects of it until I realized they're telling the 9/11 truther plot that Bush planned everything. (Spoilers ahead with plot details revealed)
Sounds like “wait until dvd rental” rather than go to theater.
I read that completely differently. Much more as commentary on the drones, which have been a pretty hot topic the last few years, with a lot of innocents killed, but also a lot of bad guys.
I probably won’t rent the DVD, either.
If it had been an actual hashing out of issues (as in finding the good both sides are trying to do) I would’ve had no problem with it. If it had just been one line zingers (like in Avatar, Captain America, Iron Man 3) I would’ve rolled my eyes and moved on. As it is, Khan is portrayed sympathetically (!!!) and the big bad military guy is ... Well big and bad and connivingly evil. Until big bad military guy is (justifiably, mind you) killed by Khan and the Khan plays the bad guy... But only because he wants Starfleet utterly destroyed (and maybe kinda sorta all genetic inferiors but that’s only speculated by the characters... Khan never says that himself)
More simply, both the Admiral and Khan were pursuing personal vendettas (the Admiral wanted was to defend Starfleet and Khan wanted war to defend his people) but Khan’s (the terrorist’s) was given moral justification because... Well because... Without rationale... Slap a 9/11 veterans dedication at the end (which, after this movie, is really saying - sorry you guys had to go to go to war for a lie but we love you anyway) and the rationale becomes obvious...
And it ticks me off because Iraq was **and still is** an issue that’s even going on for 20+ years... And so this entire movie is a simpleton regurgitation of propaganda... And we’re bordering on the Liberty Valance effect...
What’s wrong with Khan being sympathetic. Really he’s a sympathetic character, they genetically engineered superbeing and then didn’t like the consequences, and shot them all into space without even having the guts for a nice execution. If you look at it right it’s hard not to see Khan as a guy screwed over by the government that wanted him. Then you get into the plot of this one and some idiot from the military decides they want to bring the super conqueror BACK and then is shocked to find out he can’t control him.
Actually there’s plenty of rationale for the 9/11 veterans dedication, just not from within the movie, here’s an article somebody else linked to:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/15/j-j-abrams-on-star-trek-into-darkness-the-mission-continues-more.html
And here’s the rational:
“After the first Star Trek movie was made, my wife, Katie, and I talked to Paramount and said, “What if we went to Kuwait and showed the troops the film?” They could’ve easily said no, but they said, “Great!” We got to go to Kuwait and showed the film to the troops on a number of different occasions there. What was incredible was it was the first opportunity the cast and me had to see firsthand men and women serving our country overseas. It was a really emotional, inspiring thing. When I got back from the international tour for Star Trek, Katie and I were trying to find ways to continue to help troops and their families, those who were making this significant sacrifice. We met Eric and we learned about the Mission Continues and did our due diligence and checked around, and they were far and away the most exciting organization that we found, working with veterans in a way that respected them, respected their goals, and respected their skills.”
Doesn’t really seem like something a truther would be saying. I think you’re pissed off because you read stuff into the story that isn’t there. People do that a lot, some read in things they agree with, some read in things they disagree with, but the real source is always them. The story is a story, the dedication is a dedication, they don’t necessarily have anything to do with each other, either conservatively or liberally.
Hmmm, his father’s name is also George and has often been referred to as George Bush Sr. But you may draw your own conclusions.
His father - POTUS 41 - is George Herbert Walker Bush. POTUS 43 is George Walker Bush. It was the lazy press that referred to him as Junior and even though what I have just explained has been explained numerous times on this site and other conservative sites, it is also lazy people who continually refer to POTUS 43 as Junior. Now you may smugly draw your own conclusion.
Making my point perfectly just like all 9/11 truthers..
Osama is a sympathetic guy who just got betrayed by the evil CIA...
Right?
Or is that just a story too?
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I'll try to remember that. :)
I plan on seeing the movie and making up my own mind. Why don’t you try thinking for yourself and do the same?
understood
At $10 to $15 a ticket, I try to find out if I will hate a movie BEFORE I go. If people who I generally agree with dislike something, I avoid it. When I see someone get burnt, I don’t need to stick my hand in the fire as well.
It’s not Osama, it’s Khan. We didn’t genetically engineer Osama to do exactly what he did, and he never got betrayed, and when we finally got him we didn’t chicken out we killed him. There are no parallels, you MADE THEM UP all by yourself.
I thought the admiral disabling the enterprise while it was near kligon space so it would be attacked was shades of ben ghazi.....
Of course given how long it takes to make a movie (generally about 2 years from the beginning of principal photography to release, especially for one with lots of CGI) that would probably be a total accident.
I’ll watch it on Solar Movie and not fret about having spent dough to see it.
Nope - what I said are actual theories passed around by leftists... Google Tim Ossman.
Remember that the leftists, from day 1 of 9/11 blamed the attacks on the US military complex for personal gain and in their eyes Iraq was te ultimate culmination of that action.
STID parallels that myth exactly.
But that doesn’t mean they have anything to do with the movie. Sorry but you’re wrong, the story doesn’t come CLOSE to matching either the reality OR the myth. It’s all in your head, you’re angry at your own over active imagination.
I just watched it. Didn’t think of 9/11 one time either.
Sometimes a movie is just a movie.
Not bad for a star trek flick.
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