Posted on 04/21/2013 9:17:31 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
According to lead Obama investigator Mike Zullo, fear of ridicule is the number one reason authorities are not acting on the mountain of verifiable evidence of document fraud concerning Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Appearing on the Carl Gallups, Freedom Friday call-in show, Zullo said, “We are dealing with a fraudulent document that would never survive scrutiny of the judicial process.” (1)
Disinformation and the intentional dissemination of false information to protect Obama, will not survive in the face of what Zullo is calling a 100% fabricated document. He listed the following tactics used to discredit the research of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s...
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“whose director is appointed by Obama”
In 2008, then-Senator Obama appointed the SSS Director???? Maybe the Bush Administration just really hated Senator McCain.
Here is Jeffery Stephen Coffamn’s affidavit in which he dates his contacts with SSS:
February 13th. 2008 - SSS says Obama registered for Selective Service.
Here is PJMedia’s August 13th, 2008 article with e-mail from SSS.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-did-obama-actually-register-for-selective-service/
“Mr. Owens,”
“Barack Hussein Obama registered at a post office in Hawaii. The effective registration date was September 4, 1980.”
“His registration number is 61-1125539-1.”
“Daniel Amon
Public Affairs Specialist”
Here is Debbie Schlussel’s posting of the SSR card in November, 2008 - Coffman’s copy:
Here are SSR cards collected by Susan Daniels and Linda Bentley, Bruce Henderson and Darrell Oniwa:
Here is a clearer image of Bruce Henderson’s:
http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/bruce-henderson-ss-reg.jpg
“it is most certainly not true that the same phenomenon could account for a year stamp that is offset to the lower right of where it would normally occur relative to the rest of the circle stamp into which it’s inserted”
Look at the SSR cards provided by Daniels and Bentley, see the one in the second column, third one down. It is the card with the KAPAA, HI postal stamp. Notice how the 1980 is pushed way to the right. Maybe the forger of that card was also trying to create a unique fingerprint.
“Have at it. Decimate me; massacre me; do your best.”
Admit it - it was painless.
What you said!!
After Governor Lingle’s radio interview with Rabbi Shumley Boteach, the elite of the Republican Party developed “the party line” on the birth certificate issue.
The party line has been a variation on one word: “distraction.”
Governor Lingle implemented the party line in her radio interview (”This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country”); and here’s another Republican Governor using the party line: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y15Q9MEr3ws
And here’s Newt Gingrich using the party line: “LAS VEGAS — Former GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich praised Mitt Romney’s handling of Tuesday’s controversy over Donald Trump’s renewed questioning of President Barack Obama’s birthplace.
‘Governor Romney is not distracted. The Republican Party is not distracted. We believe that this is an American-born, job-killing president,” Gingrich told reporters in the lobby of the Trump International Hotel, on his way into a fundraiser for Romney on Tuesday evening. “Other people may believe he was born somewhere else and still kills jobs, but that’s an argument over background,” Gingrich said. “I’m happy to say I believe he was born in Hawaii. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s killing jobs.’”
I could go on and on with quotes from big name Republicans saying that the birth certificate/natural born citizen/Article 2, Section1 issue is “a distraction,” but I’m sure that you get the point.
I see nothing “delicately” worded in Dr. Fukino’s press release. She said:
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
What’s “delicate” about that?
Yes, it came up SO MUCH during the campaign that she waited until three days before the election to put out a news release that doesn't legally verify anything. It certainly did NOT list a place of birth.
and here’s another Republican Governor using the party line: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y15Q9MEr3ws And here’s Newt Gingrich using the party line: “LAS VEGAS — Former GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich praised Mitt Romney’s handling of Tuesday’s controversy over Donald Trump’s renewed questioning of President Barack Obama’s birthplace.
‘Governor Romney is not distracted. The Republican Party is not distracted. We believe that this is an American-born, job-killing president,” Gingrich told reporters in the lobby of the Trump International Hotel, on his way into a fundraiser for Romney on Tuesday evening. “Other people may believe he was born somewhere else and still kills jobs, but that’s an argument over background,” Gingrich said. “I’m happy to say I believe he was born in Hawaii. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s killing jobs.’”
I could go on and on with quotes from big name Republicans saying that the birth certificate/natural born citizen/Article 2, Section1 issue is “a distraction,” but I’m sure that you get the point.
Of course, I get the point. You're trying to deflect what I posted previously, which had nothing to do with a "party line."
I see nothing “delicately” worded in Dr. Fukino’s press release.
That doesn't mean anything. And I didn't say it was "delicately" worded. I said it delicately AVOIDED the issue of whether the jpg was a genuine birth certificate or not. Fukino says nothing about the alleged document presented by Obama. Thanks for giving the quote that proves this point. It's interesting that she says she has the statutory authority to oversee and maintain these types of vital records. She also has the statutory authority to make those records public. Saying that an "original birth certificate" is on file doesn't address whether it lists Hawaii as the place of birth. It doesn't address whether Obama's jpg is legitimate. It doesn't mean much of anything, especially when it is not accompanied by the actual records nor is it being submitted in front of a court of law.
Does the Hawaii Dept of Health keep non-Hawaii birth certifcates on it's files?
According to the HDOH website "Vital records (birth, death, civil union, marriage, and divorce certificates) for events that occurred in Hawaii are received and preserved by the Office of Health Status Monitoring, a unit of the Department of Health.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
I haven't heard somebody say that in probably 40 years. I said it once and my wife looked at me as if I were from another planet.
I haven't heard somebody say that in probably 40 years. I said it once and my wife looked at me as if I were from another planet.
Yes, Hawaii, and many other states in the Union, keep non-Hawaii birth certificates in their records.
According to Janice Okubo, the former communications director of the Hawaii Department of Health: “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate.”—The Washington Independent, July 17, 2009
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
Lol. I have an older woman I work with who taught me that one, as well as some Yiddish!
Another good one.....”first time in a row”!
The long form says place of birth: Honolulu; date of birth: August 4, 1961; time of birth: 7:24 p.m., Name of Hospital: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital; and signature of attendant: Dr. David A Sinclair.
Former Health Director Fukino’s second press release stated: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen.”—July 27, 2009.
http://www.hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
Nobody said such a thing. "Hawaiian" birth certificates can include out-of-state places of birth. This is what spokesbabe Janice Okubo indicated when she said Obama's birth certificate should say he was born in Bali.
"If you were born in Bali, for example," Ms Okubo told the Washington Independent, "you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate."
link to story
Right, the "long form" that has never been legally certified nor submitted in any court of law ...
Former Health Director Fukino’s second press release stated: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen.”—July 27, 2009.
Thanks for posting this. Why did Fukino change the terminology from "original birth certificate" in her Oct. 31, 2008 news release to "the original vital records" ... why did she have to look at multiple records?? If the COLB was genuine, she should only have to find this information on the original birth certificate. Remember?? She said she had "personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate ..." The only reason to mention multiple records in a follow-up is if the original birth certificate was not complete. If that's the case, then his birth certificate should indicate that it was not complete.
Second, you misquoted Fukino's statement. Why did you do this?? She didn't say Obama was "a natural born citizen." She said, he "is a natural-born American citizen." In this country, we are U.S. citizens, not American citizens. IOW, she used a legally meaningless phrase.
Third, Fukino later said that Obama's long-form was half handwritten and half typed. The PDF that Obama released in April 2011 is NOT half handwritten. So, why would she lie?? Why did Governor Lingle lie and say that Fukino's 2008 news release said that Obama was born in Kapiolani hospital when this is on NEITHER news release??
Bump. Brilliantly stated analysis of Fukino.
In my up-thread summary for Nero (whose maniacal persecutor namesake seems fitting) I alluded to Fukino’s use of “tortured and evasive language in the two key statements she made while still the Director.” I guess I was hoping that the points you’ve made here yet again so crisply would have already been sufficiently established. Shockingly, it seems Nero may have just never considered these salient points about Fukino with which you just soundly thumped him.
The tact of so many would-be debunkers is to just keep shifting arguments in the hopes that they will outlast their challengers.
If I say the birth certificate has digital evidence of fabrication, they say layers are produced all the time by optimization processes.
If I nail them down on the specific kind layers, they raise a straw man to argue with about splicing microfilm in the national archives.
When I point out the overt absurdity of the straw man, the argument makes quick shift without apology to why a forger who got a hold of a postal round stamp would resort to a chopped up, inverted year insert.
When I explain that year inserts, unlike round stamps, are destroyed according to policy after the year for which they were made, the response comes back celebrating a 4-digit, right-side-up date stamp with a more subtle offset from center than Obama’s inverted two digit version.
I make a side comment about how Obama’s situation benefits from the fact that he appointed the director of the SSS. A debunker rises up brandishing his mighty correction that when the FOIAs started for the SSS Obama was not yet President, quietly setting aside the fact that it was Obama appointee Romo at the helm when the law enforcement disclosure rules changed and when the MCSO was denied access to probative evidence.
Nero, himself, in this thread actually resorted to an oft used fogbow tactic of regurgitating a laundry load list of all authorities opposed and cases lost.
When I sarcastically cried mercy, he managed to disengage by offering the pretense that he favored a congressional probe with witnesses testifying under oath.
I love it that you have for the moment silenced him with this clear concise illumination, once again, of the red flags that riddled Fukino’s words and greatly darkened the pall of doubt already cast over everything emanating from the HDOH.
Edge, I know you’ve been at this for quite a while, and I’m always grateful to watch when you turn up to rattle the opposition. Thanks again.
Start at #35 and read ecinkc’s and other’s excellent posts -
language as a weapon. excellent!
BTTT
IIRC, it was Neil Abercrombie who made that statement.
My daughter’s birth certificate lists me as he birth father; I didn’t even meet her mother until she was nearly three years old.
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