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To: Nachum
There's a difference between Zionism and Judaism.

The greatness or worth of a person is not measured by his or her outward appearance. Jews believe that Adam was created in G-d's image and that he is the common ancestor of all mankind. At this stage in human history, there is no room for privileged people who can do with others as they please. Human life is sacred and human rights are not to be denied by those who would subvert them for "national security" or for any other reason. No one knows this better than the Jews, who have been second-class citizens so often and for so long. Some Zionists, however, may differ. This is understandable because Judaism and Zionism are by no means the same. Indeed they are incompatible and irreconcilable: If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew.

18 posted on 02/27/2013 11:57:42 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer; Jewbacca; rmlew; MarkL; Eleutheria5
If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew.

*ahem*

34 posted on 02/27/2013 12:37:24 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: SkyDancer

“If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew.”

Why not? I’ve read your reply a few times trying to divine what you think the conflict is, but I can’t put my finger on it. Do you think Zionism is some kind of Jewish Supremacy movement?


39 posted on 02/27/2013 12:49:58 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: SkyDancer; SJackson

“If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew.”

Whatever you say, Mahmoud.


55 posted on 02/27/2013 2:21:56 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: SkyDancer

“This is understandable because Judaism and Zionism are by no means the same.”

True

“Indeed they are incompatible and irreconcilable: If one is a good Jew, one cannot be a Zionist; if one is a Zionist, one cannot be a good Jew.”

Absolutely nonsense.

Now, I am a Roman Catholic who joined a Bible Church because our local priest is a bed-wetting communist and an anti-white racist. I don’t have a semitic bone in my 6’10” tall Scot-Irish body, but I do know a fair amount both Judaism and Zionism. As was recently posted here, Orthodox Jewish people fall in four camps on the issue:

1. The NK position espoused by a rare few like yourself and Iranains that Jews need to stay out of Israel until the Messiah apears and re-forms Israel as a kingdom

2. The Jews who believe modern Israel is a fore-runner to the state to be founded by the messiah and thus Israel should be supported

3. The Jews who believe Israel is just a secural state, but needed to protect Jews from persecution and, being their homeland and all, a perfectly logical place.

4. Jews who believe that Israel helps secular Jews become Orthodox Jews simply by gaterthing together.

Now, 2-4 are the the overwhelming majority position of Orthodox Jews. No. 1 is the position of some fringe kooks.

What rabbinical authorty are you relying on for your statement that Judaism and Zionism are incompatable.


60 posted on 02/27/2013 3:19:53 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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