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Posted on 01/19/2013 9:23:55 AM PST by ABrit
.....During the 2008 campaign, Obama admitted Lolo Soetoro was his step-father and he was in Indonesia in 1968 attending elementary school. Lolo Soetoro and Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham-Soetoro, were married in Hawaii in 1965. Obama campaign supporters have consistently and repeatedly insisted Indonesian Law would not allow Obama to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro and he could not be naturalized as an Indonesian citizen because of his age. Furthermore, Obama supporters insist his Indonesian citizenship is irrelevant to his allegience to the United States as a natural born citizen of the United States.
Obama was not adopted in Indonesia. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii in 1967. When the Soetoro adoption was finalized in 1967, Obama's original long form birth certificate was sealed by order of the Court and archived by the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH). A sealed vital record is null and void for all future legal or administrative proceedings. In addition to sealing Obama's original long form birth certificate, the Court ordered a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) created and filed by the registrar of HDOH. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the paternal parent for Barry Soetoro for a live birth on August 4, 1961, Honolulu, HI and filed on August 8, 1961.....
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And you can just keep spamming with your rubbish.
I gave you a simple and thoughtful answer already. I thought about it and then replied with something simple. I have no wish to carry on a conversation with you. I never addressed you and don’t plan to ever do so. I’m a human being and refuse to be treated like your lackey. If you want to know something, ask nicely.
But don’t bother asking me now, that opportunity has passed. I have no respect for you. You’re not taking part to be of assistance, you’re here to tell us all how brilliant you are.
It doesn’t impress me.
Got it?
Then show it.
No, actually you've dodged question entirely, acted like a drama queen who is too put out to answer the question, and then overreacted by posting an abundance of pointless drama. I have no respect for you.
That's what I meant when I wrote:
I gave you a simple and thoughtful answer already.
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And BTW, Mike Zullo confirmed with me, in a recent telephone conversation, that he spoke with that same woman when he was attempting to get clarity on the VSIM and the codes. When I mentioned her attitude to him, he said,”That sounds like the same woman, Stephanie”.
You are obviously free to contact him to verify this.
There is a lot more obviously, as I do save nearly every correspondence. It’s what even an amateur researcher always does - it’s all important, even the correspondence that yields nothing. But this should suffice to show to you, who so demands that I prove I save such things, that I do indeed.
See what you get when you ask for a copy of a birth certificate issued in England in 1895? A hundred years later, they transfer the original entry onto the certified copy. In jolly old England, when they say CERTIFIED COPY that's exactly what they mean, A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL ENTRY.
36%? It needs to get up to 50%+ before it will have any influence with politicians. Probably needs 90%+ to get any consideration of the SC.
And when you maintain:
That form is from the Colony of Kenya, and mailed to the United Kingdom (Great Britain).
You are making an assumption because NON ONE knows where that document came from. I posted two links to FR posts from 2009 which appear to show the document is a hoax. I suggest again that you read the posts and the comments.
However, if you have further information other than the unfounded conclusion you appear to have reached about the validity of that curious document, please feel free to share it here.
If they just sent you an attachment, then it could have been created or doctored recently. You’ve been broadcasting that you wanted to find such a document, so this gave whomever might be involved, time to prepare something. Didn’t the Daily Pen people tell you go to your state health department??
I don't know how long before this e-mail you posted you made your request. If it was longer than a couple of days prior, then it gave Stephanie or whomever at the CDC time to "prepare" (or alter/doctor) the manual. I also pointed out that your VSIM is dated AFTER Obama was born. Now, you said at your blog that you're only interested in the truth, but you don't seem to want to acknowledge that the date of this manual is a problem. The race classifications in the natality reports changed between 1960 and 1961 and the classifications in the VSIM you posted do NOT jibe with those reports. Self-classified Africans born outside the were not classified in those reports as "other nonwhite" as the manual instructs. This is a problem.
And further, this VSIM says that it's designed for coding birth certificates AFTER they are received from the states. Obama's alleged LFBC is from the state of Hawaii, not from the CDC, so there's no way to know if the VSIM has ANY bearing on these codes. Corsi may not be any more accurate than you are, but it's not because you got Stephanie Ventura to e-mail you a PDF.
It’s amazing how much time you spending whining about not wanting to answer one question, as if that kind of “tone” is admirable.
Hahahahahahahaha! You sure are funny!
So, YOU have the VSIM that was in effect before the mid. Aug. ‘61 issue? POST IT!
Otherwise, go to bed.
I love “persons” who have SUCH strong opinions and run-a-way imaginations, but have nothing at all to support their conspiracies.
The email I posted? I phoned earlier that day and spoke with several different people - mostly ignorant people who didn’t even have the skill to transfer me to a different office - before I demanded to speak with a district manager and was finally sent to Stephanie’s voice mail. She contacted me by phone a few hours later, and by the end of that day I had the email.
My cell phone records will support that - by you are not welcome to those. If you believe that you have the skill to do better than I, then you should do so rather than trying to dismiss my work.
You can’t. That is why you have not.
It’s AMAZING how much time you are spending trying to manipulate me into telling you something I have ABSOLUTELY no intention of telling you. Never did have. Never will have.
I remember you from way back. You’re a nasty piece of work and beneath my contempt.
Overreacting doesn't help your cause, and I never said I have any copies of a VSIM, although there are some online at the CDC site. I just explained why yours is problematic especially when it doesn't jibe with the contemporary natality reports of 1960 and 1961 that are also posted online. I noticed how you dodged that altogether.
The email I posted? I phoned earlier that day and spoke with several different people - mostly ignorant people who didn’t even have the skill to transfer me to a different office - before I demanded to speak with a district manager and was finally sent to Stephanie’s voice mail. She contacted me by phone a few hours later, and by the end of that day I had the email.
You know, the more detail you go into, the less credible it sounds. Just sayin'. And earlier you said you have an electronic trail ... now it's cell phone records. IOW, there's no way to verify the story.
You can’t. That is why you have not.
I have found plenty of things that simply undermine the usefulness of your research. I listed what makes it problematic and you've dodged that entirely. Since you made a contact with the CDC, you couldn't ask for the previous VSIM as soon as you realized this one was revised?? Sorry, but that's just sloppy.
Manipulate you?? I asked nice, and you’ve melted down since then. I must have magic powers. Who know it was so easy to turn someone into a douche.
For several reasons that I have outlined I don’t feel that the revisions are likely to be problematic. Mainly because the FED coders HARVESTED information, they did not apply the information. They viewed the birth certificates on micro-film, so the little code numbers were already on the certificates prior to the certificates being microfilmed - we can all agree on that.
No where in the VSIM were the FEDERAL CODERS instructed to use codes PRE-APPLIED at the local level. Nor were there instructions for the FEDERAL coders to harvest information about the occupation of the parents, yet there were local level pre-applied codes in those fields.
So, for the purposes of determining the exact meaning of the codes that appear on the examples of the HI 1961 birth certificates, the FEDERAL CODES are useless. It doesn’t matter if they were revised because the FEDERAL coders used their own codes - to determine the race of the child - not the parents.
You can contact the CDC to ask after the pre Aug. 14th 1961 VSIM. Why don’t you? I only went after a copy because Dr. Con. said that one did not exist. Turns out he hadn’t really tried all that hard to get one, he admitted that.
YES, for all of the time you waste on here trying to stir people up you could have contacted the CDC a dozen times over to satisfy your own curiosity. That’s what I did.
And as to cell phone records. Everyone has those - just go check your cell phone account online, you can bring up every call (phone number - unless blocked), incoming and outgoing, every text number, and tons of other very detailed information. It’s all kept conveniently by the cell company.
People like you don’t ever bother to do any research for themselves. Your type just like to try and undermine others who do. I find it telling that you claim the more proof and detail that I provide the “less credible” the proof is. Whaaaaa? That’s why I find you so funny.
What I believe doesn't seem to be very important, and I'm not about to post it all over again, every image I ever posted from the image saving account I used seems to have disappeared into thin air, so I must have been too close.
Short answer to your question is NO.
The ONE person I know for certain who entered the US from Kenya during the period shown above is THE BROTHER OF THE KENYAN STUDENT. OMAR. Aka OBAMA ONYNAGO, he attended a private high school in Boston and shared accommodation with his older half-brother who went to Harvard.
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