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To: edge919

For several reasons that I have outlined I don’t feel that the revisions are likely to be problematic. Mainly because the FED coders HARVESTED information, they did not apply the information. They viewed the birth certificates on micro-film, so the little code numbers were already on the certificates prior to the certificates being microfilmed - we can all agree on that.

No where in the VSIM were the FEDERAL CODERS instructed to use codes PRE-APPLIED at the local level. Nor were there instructions for the FEDERAL coders to harvest information about the occupation of the parents, yet there were local level pre-applied codes in those fields.

So, for the purposes of determining the exact meaning of the codes that appear on the examples of the HI 1961 birth certificates, the FEDERAL CODES are useless. It doesn’t matter if they were revised because the FEDERAL coders used their own codes - to determine the race of the child - not the parents.

You can contact the CDC to ask after the pre Aug. 14th 1961 VSIM. Why don’t you? I only went after a copy because Dr. Con. said that one did not exist. Turns out he hadn’t really tried all that hard to get one, he admitted that.

YES, for all of the time you waste on here trying to stir people up you could have contacted the CDC a dozen times over to satisfy your own curiosity. That’s what I did.

And as to cell phone records. Everyone has those - just go check your cell phone account online, you can bring up every call (phone number - unless blocked), incoming and outgoing, every text number, and tons of other very detailed information. It’s all kept conveniently by the cell company.

People like you don’t ever bother to do any research for themselves. Your type just like to try and undermine others who do. I find it telling that you claim the more proof and detail that I provide the “less credible” the proof is. Whaaaaa? That’s why I find you so funny.


339 posted on 02/02/2013 10:02:13 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest
For several reasons that I have outlined I don’t feel that the revisions are likely to be problematic. Mainly because the FED coders HARVESTED information, they did not apply the information. They viewed the birth certificates on micro-film, so the little code numbers were already on the certificates prior to the certificates being microfilmed - we can all agree on that.

No where in the VSIM were the FEDERAL CODERS instructed to use codes PRE-APPLIED at the local level. Nor were there instructions for the FEDERAL coders to harvest information about the occupation of the parents, yet there were local level pre-applied codes in those fields.

This is all irrelevant because we know the CDC collected and coded information for the purposes of issuing natality reports. Regardless of whether any states' certificates are pre-coded or whether those codes are used or not, the VSIM you posted contains problems in that they don't jibe with natality reports that have been posted online already.

You can contact the CDC to ask after the pre Aug. 14th 1961 VSIM. Why don’t you? I only went after a copy because Dr. Con. said that one did not exist. Turns out he hadn’t really tried all that hard to get one, he admitted that.

People know who he is and it's already been documented that they don't cooperate with him. It's not too hard to imagine that somebody could have lied to him about whether other manuals existed or not. It doesn't matter so much because the manual you produced still doesn't jibe with CDC reports.

YES, for all of the time you waste on here trying to stir people up you could have contacted the CDC a dozen times over to satisfy your own curiosity. That’s what I did.

I didn't try to stir anyone up. This is you being a drama queen because I pointed out obvious problems with your research. I don't care whether that "stirs" someone up. It's not a waste of time to point out there were problems with the alleged manual because other people here at freerepublic deserve to know about these problems. It's way too similar to the crap that Dr. Conspiracy tried to get away with, and it's no surprise that he and other Obots were trying to give you high-fives on your blog at the time. Evidently it helped give you a false sense of accomplishment.

People like you don’t ever bother to do any research for themselves.

Sorry, but this is nonsense. If I hadn't done any research I wouldn't be able to point the obvious problems with the manual you posted. I found CDC documents online that showed that persons were still classified as Black despite being born outside the United States, unlike what your manual and what Dr. Conspiracy's alleged manual claims. I found a Natality Report that Dr. Conspiracy claimed didn't exist. I found another report from the CDC that showed that one of these alleged organizations that allegedly put out Dr. Conspiracy's VSIM did not exist until years AFTER the date of that report. You're simply making a baseless assumption because you don't like having someone show you to be wrong. Deal with it.

Your type just like to try and undermine others who do. I find it telling that you claim the more proof and detail that I provide the “less credible” the proof is. Whaaaaa? That’s why I find you so funny.

Thanks, but you're trying way too hard to bluff your way out of admitting that your VSIM is useless. It's kind of hypocritical to go on with nonsense like this after accusing me of trying to stir people up.

351 posted on 02/02/2013 8:53:56 PM PST by edge919
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