Posted on 11/23/2012 7:53:10 AM PST by possum john
In A New Direction for Conservatives (pt 1) I outlined the reasons why I believe it is time for Conservatives to abandon the Republican Party and establish a new political organization dedicated to advancing conservative policies. In that post I also described the principles I believe should guide this new political party, which I have named the Foundations Party.
In Part 2 I will stop short of describing a full party platform for the sake of brevity, but I will describe what I see as “Top 10” Agenda for the Foundations Party. Once again, I invite comments and discussion on the ideas I am presenting.
(Excerpt) Read more at jamespwillis.blogspot.com ...
That’s all very nice, but short of peeling off part of the country that’s largely on board, how do you intend to get any traction in a two-party system?
Okay. Where is it? Can’t discuss what ain’t here.
Works for me.
“how do you intend to get any traction in a two-party system?”
The destruction of the current Republican party would probably be a necessity. That would leave two- the Demcoms and the new conservative organization.
Also, you must not understand human nature. Just as soon as you get your pure party, there will be some wanting to change something and there will be other "principled" party members who refuse to go along with the rest of them. This will not work and it can't work because you have no choice but to use the exact same flawed human beings that now make up the Republican party.
This isn't heaven and it is unrealistic to expect perfection here on planet earth. We hang together to get the best government we can get.
How do you prevent the hijacking of the Foundation Party by RINOs or liberals, for that matter? ( RINOs, which now includes all of the GOP-e and the powers-that-be in the Republican Party. )
How about this platform:
1. Strip women of their right to some reproductive health services
2. Give lower tax rates to wealthy, high income people (millionaires and billionaires)
3. Take federal dollars away from educating our nation’s children
4. Eliminate food stamps and other poverty programs used by our nation’s economically disadvantaged
5. Stop government investments in green energy programs that are designed to save the planet
Note that we may need a marketing guru to work on some of the wording.
The Republican Party is fast becoming the Republicrat Party; and that’s just not acceptable, not to a “purist” nor any other reasonable person. - Just have a one party system - DEMOCRAT PARTY - and have done with it.
These Republican Party “sophisticated elites” have kicked Allen West, Governor Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and the Tea Party to the curb; once again taking the Democrats’ “advice” and once again, abandoning common sense.
I'd rather we save time, energy, and resources and go straight to the pith.
I'd like to see one of two things happen:
1) An American state assert its 10th Amendments rights and DEFY all the tyrannical federal fiats.
OR..........
2) Secession.
Yes, I just went there.
So? That ignores the question of how can anyone create a pure new party large enough to win an election?
I am all in favor of a 3rd party.... but it can’t just be built on the Anti-Abortion (different from Pro-Life), anti-Gay, pro-business, anti-union, small govt, etc. platform. The audience for that is too small. That’s the reality. I am guessing that maybe 20% to 25% of this country only identify with any combination of these opinions and almost none are voting with the democrats.
So how do you build a 3rd party that appeals to enough people to weaken the base of both the Republicans and Democrats base. Otherwise, these efforts will surely doom us to nothing but democrats.
Sadly, I think what we’ve all been hearing is our America has changed.... straight, God-loving, hardworking, pro-life, small govt, folks are now clearing in the minority. My fear is that only secession from the union might be the only way.
That's EXACTLY how the state media will frame this debate.
Hard to say which is more evil: The front-guard Communists bent on destroying America, or the rear-guard media propagandists who encourage and champion these attacks.
Interesting discussion
Definitely conservatives will need to think about whether to continue with a GOP that is determined to lose elections by abandoning its base for groups that will never vote GOP.
A strong conservative party would immediately become the 2d party in America.
Unfortunately, we still have too many closet Liberal RINOs who are Stockholm-Syndrome tied to the GOP...even though the GOP Un-Leadership does not want anyone who is not Amnesty Liberal, Globalist, Socialist, Pro-Abortion...and the ultimate oxymoron “Fiscal Conservative”
The opposite also being true is lost on many here.
First, you must accept that the GOP is done for and deserves a decent burial.
Second, you must accept that a new broad conservative party WILL NOT WIN AN ELECTION - until the crisis, not yet upon us, breaks with full force.
In my eyes, the new party must be the vehicle for real, sustained change - by that, I mean many things that the People are not yet ready to accept.
If your premise is that a new party must win elections immediately, by sustaining the rotten old system and conceding large points to the communists in order to win the favor of the idiots who make up the current electorate, why bother?
The Democrats have won the battle of ideas in the hearts of the People. They now will rule until the end of their system - which will not be brought about by elections, but by the crisis which their policies will bring to fruition.
In the depths of dispair, to whom do you imagine the People will turn? Karl Rove? Jeb Bush? Haley Barbour? John Sununu?
We must conserve the seed corn and be ready for the turn of the wheel - and the wheel is alredy in motion.
The GOP is just sand in the gears at this point - the sooner it dies, the sooner we can begin.
We need a period of extensive soul searching on how each of us can be better at countering the gross misconceptions that have been employed to mislead even many intelligent voters, over the past two decades. Since truth--reality--is on our side, it can be done. But it is going to take a major coordinated effort to overcome the tremendous ideological fire power of the mass media, and the Leftists in academia, who have indoctrinated them.
William Flax
Stand by to listen to grouchy Freepers bad mouth your very good ideas.
Exactly. That is just how the media will describe any new conservative party.
I am very discourqaged. The Democrats/communists are constantly organizing everywhere, at a grassroots level, with taxpayer money. They work hard at gaining lower-level government jobs in cities, counties and states. They hustle for school board jobs, city transportation jobs, anything that pays them with public money.
All the public service unions pour money into their pockets with which to buy votes.
Conservatives simply aren’t that active, that obsessed with power over other people. We just aren’t that greedy. I amthinking that with the media on their side, they will take over.
We have a new ruling class. America isn’t used to that idea, but it’s turning into a ruling class with their boot on the peasants’ necks, and if you weant a good life, you’ll grovel to your new masters.
The incessant sex-scandal news is also a way of keeping women frightrened and obedient. “Do as you’re told or we’ll slaughter you the way we did Sarah Palin.”
Lesson learned.
Exactly. That is just how the media will describe any new conservative party.
I am very discourqaged. The Democrats/communists are constantly organizing everywhere, at a grassroots level, with taxpayer money. They work hard at gaining lower-level government jobs in cities, counties and states. They hustle for school board jobs, city transportation jobs, anything that pays them with public money.
All the public service unions pour money into their pockets with which to buy votes.
Conservatives simply aren’t that active, that obsessed with power over other people. We just aren’t that greedy. I amthinking that with the media on their side, they will take over.
We have a new ruling class. America isn’t used to that idea, but it’s turning into a ruling class with their boot on the peasants’ necks, and if you want a good life, you’ll grovel to your new masters.
The incessant sex-scandal news is also a way of keeping women frightened and obedient. “Do as you’re told or we’ll slaughter you the way we did Sarah Palin.”
Lesson learned.
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