Posted on 07/19/2012 5:28:21 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
It now appears the worst fears of the U.S. Constitutions framers were well founded as investigators working on behalf of the ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama have found yet another lead in a growing mountain of evidence within the public records section of the British National Archives indicating the occurrence of at least four vital events registered to the name of Barack Obama, taking place in the British Protectorate of East Africa (Kenya) between 1953 and 1963, including the birth of two sons before 1963.
The record of birth of a second son prior to Kenyan independence is significant because biographical information about Obamas family indicates Obama Sr. fathered only one other son prior to Obama IIs birth.
The books containing hand written line records of vital events attributed to Obama are contained in Series RG36 of the Family Records section in the Kew branch of the BNA. The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled Burack and Biraq) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961. Barack Obama is said to have died in 1982 and had married at least once more in Kenya and had at least one more child in 1968, but no record of these were found in the BNA because, according to the Archives desk reference, the events occurred after Kenya achieved independence from British colonial rule in 1963.
To date, Barack Obama II is the only known alleged son of Obama Sr. born after 1960 and before the independence of Kenya became official in 1963.
(Excerpt) Read more at thedailypen.blogspot.com ...
I was Thinking outside the box and would like to see if you guys will help me researh something????— (it might be nothing, but who knows).. I used to own 42% of some shallow oil and gas wells in independence Kansas— Peru Kansas is only 29 miles from Independence kansas were (madelyn payne dunham grew up)— If you know that area, it is loaded with property owners that sell there mineral rights to oil and gas companies or personal people wanting to get in that type of buinesses— as you know, royalities are passed down as a family member dies, and most of oil and gas records are public knowledge (and very detailed info)..But it could lead to interesting info if madelyn had property that was leased.. In that area oil and gas wells are everywhere- “JUST A THOUGHT”
“Since the available record reflects that Stanley Ann Dunham DOB November 29, 1942, bore and delivered Barack Hussein Obama II at age 18 on August 4, 1961, prior to her 19th birthday November 29, 1961, Barack Hussein Obama II cannot claim US citizenship by birth.”
I appreciate what you have done, but it matters whether Stanley Ann was legally single or not:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.
Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:
A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the persons birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the persons birth. The mother must be genetically related to the person in order to transmit U.S. citizenship.
As you can see, if Stanley Ann met the out-of-wedlock condition, only one year of being “...physically present in the United States...for a continuous period of one year...” is required to transmit citizenship.
Please ask your source to reconsider given that under HI law SADO’s Feb. 2, 1961 marriage in the HI index was bigamous and thus a nullity (didn't exist).
Even if the marriage was de facto legal in HI having not been challenged (only suspected as bigamous by INS), on arrival in Kenya, the article at the top of the thread affirms a Kenya Colony vital record of one marriage for BHO Sr. prior to 1963 that being one in 1954 matching the Kezia marriage year. Thus in Kenya, BHO Sr. was already married with no vital record of divorce and in Kenya, Stanley Ann would be single in 1961 if she gave birth there...and she would have transmitted US nationality to baby Barry.
See my vanity thread for a case in the 9th Circuit where a ruling implies Barry would be NBC even if born in Kenya to a single or married mom. I disagree with the ruling, but I'm not a federal judge, of course:
“Obama cites US v Marguet-Pillado. Dicta implies Obama eligible even if born in Kenya”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2857598/posts?page=1
In support of the opinion in US v Marguet-Pillado, 9th Cir. 2011, Judge Gwin, writing for the majority in his III Analysis dicta, states: No one disputes that Marguet-Pillados requested instruction was an accurate statement of the law, in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural-born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements.
BUT, why attempt to take all of what you said to court, when we have the SOB in a clear case of forgery?
You're a cop, right? Well let's get the DA to hold the marxist SOB on forgery: felony "A," while we try to pin everything from the Chicago Fire to the Lindbergh Kidnapping on his sorry ass.
First things first, copper. "A" to "B," not "A" to "Z."
I copied what I could see of the people pinged to your comment.
You’ve made pretty much a mess of it, but thanks for the summary anyway; there’s just one I really do object to, and that’s this:
“1. Obama is the son of Malcolm X and a Lebanese actress (not a shred of evidence offered, but only speculation).”
I think Seizethecarp is referring to this video, to which I have posted the link a number of times, and a comment I made that maybe he gets his almost white skin from his father and the purple lips from his mother -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A3bYdwSsr8&list=UUp5Mqb8hSKGI1hbk5ayzXXA&index=18&feature=plcp
It’s got to be a very real handicap being a retired CPA and a Document Examiner - which means that nothing can possibly be real unless it’s written down somewhere. Like in ‘Dreams’ or any one of the various books out there about our ‘hero’ - not to mention the adoring articles in the MSM.
I did suggest you skip addressing me, but you are determined to destroy my reputation on FR, aren’t you? It could backfire on you.
Nope. Q.E.D.
Born on October 26, 1922, in Peru, Kansas, Madelyn moved to Augusta, KS, at age 3. Her parents, Rolla Charles Payne (1892-1968) and Leona McCurry (1897-1930), were strict Methodists who frowned upon her weekend forays to El Dorado, “the wrong side of the tracks,” where she met her future husband.
According to biographical accounts, Madelyns parents lived on a farm but enjoyed a modest income from leasing their land to John D. Rockefellers Standard Oil Company. The Paynes were not farmers.
Madelyn eloped with SAD on May (4th or 5th), 1940, a secret she kept from her parents until after her high school graduation. Madelyn worked as a waitress and then landed a job with Boeing in Wichita as a riveter on a B-29 assembly line during WWII.
Her father managed oil leases for Standard Oil in Oklahoma and Kansas.
Personalities clash and disagreements happen on cantankerous issues, but I call foul on the stalking, trolling accusations. Proffered opinions, documents and photos by someone who’s been a credible researcher on this issue for almost 4 years are unwarranted.
I’m also not aware of any police state policy here about who can post on what threads and when.
Let’s please chill ..
I bet those royalities are passed down all the way to “0” from the dunham property.. and it also explains why they moved aroud all the time if stanley armour was chasing oil and gas leases for standard oil— I bet my Left N-t we can get some VERY good info from the dunham oil and gas lease
The simple unvarnished facts are simply not sexy enough to compete with elaborate (and perhaps even true) scenarios in which a lot of people have invested 3 years of research and intense thought.
Everything all of us have turned up is the stuff of treason ... and is infuriatingly enough, largely useless. Now, thanks to Sheriff Joe, it has all devolved to "Forgery." The documents are fake. Everything else we have dealt with, now becomes supportive evidence; background material. To dwell upon it further only gives the opposition more areas into which they mean to lead us astray along false trails.
Case in point: this thread British Archives..... Why is this news now? It is certainly not directly germane to the case Sheriff Joe has built. Get him on the forgery first ... then add this for the next trial.
We don't need more evidence. We need action on the evidence we have now through Sheriff Joe. That's where the energy ought to go. IMHO, of course.
Any and everything before the high school years is certainly suspect - at the very best.
After thinking about it. What the Sheriff showed last week was that nothing - simply nothing from Hawaii government can be be believed.
And your work shows it should not be believed.
Digitally altered photos, digitally created BCs, lack of any records of any type. No passport records. SAD passport records cut off at 1965 and it goes on.
I document the dates I have collected. I wish they were 100% validated dates. But they are not. They are just collected during internet travels. Some definitely conflict creating logic gaps that have never been explained.
When nothing is for certain then nothing can be ruled out - no matter how outrageous the theory.
A few sets of documents clears this all up. Where are the people in Hawaii who care? Is the whole state corrupt?
Fr mail....might be the source of the 500,000 she left Bo and explain why they always seemed to have money to travel the world
Thanks, that’s very nice of you, but this entire issue goes further back than you could be aware of. Someone I will not name circulated via private mail, a number of items of research material that was to remain private. That person had offered to keep research results off site for safe-keeping.
Instead, the results were circulated (WITH MY SCREEN NAME STILL ATTACHED)to a ping list of over a hundred people. And the information those messages contained was used to denigrate me and the research group of nine freepers who remained nameless throughout and will continue to remain nameless.
When this rotten deed came to light, my original reaction was to close down the entire effort, and wipe all our results.
To be then told THIS IS OUR COUNTRY was the last straw.
Ultimately, maybe even unwisely, I decided to fight back. The material our group collected, much of which has not been published here, is in the safe hands of a number of people, AND WE ARE STILL ADDING TO IT.
So Seizethecarp and Hoosiermama, and LucyT, aside from the plain ridiculous charges against me that I am a subversive -there are NINE freepers whose names you will never know, who contributed. And THEY know how far off the truth of the matter you are.
But I am a ‘make lemonade’ sorta guy...the three of you have done more to draw attention to what is probably going on, than I ever could without you, so keep it up.
ARE WE FORGETTING WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING?
2) A court must have jurisdiction at the place the alleged crime occurred. Where did the crime occur? I suppose DC. Or perhaps Hawaii. Or maybe Denver. The fact is, at this time, no one to my knowledge is sure where the forgery occurred.
A DA has jurisdiction in a particular political entity, not everywhere in the country. Furthermore, assuming it could be shown that the crime occurred in say, DC, the DC prosecutor would have to file the case. Any chance of that?
The reason I posted what I did is to start with A and get the right people to take the next step.
Realistically, if the US Congress and the US Supreme Court won't touch this, we're screwed. The rule of law has completely broken down.
It's pitchforks and torches after this.
Yep— i bet they were rich, or atleast very well off- the state of Kansas will have all records in the mineral department an its public knowledge.. here in louisiana i can go to baton rouge and look up any wells that were drilled and info regaurding it.. Kansas may have it all in computor now—
We’ve got to raise the bar at least a little.
There are pro-Obama people out there who, while only minimally aware that their ideology will never stand on its own merit, are nevertheless willing to advance it.
Using deceptive strategies to further a political agenda they don’t fully understand. Their plan includes online trolling.
IF he did find a birth certificate as it says he did in 'Dreams' then he probably found the birth certificate belonging to the child of the kenyan-son-of-a-goat-herder and his wife/girlfriend whose name wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham. That would have brought the Dunham house down. Off he goes to see Frank, and Frank tells him who he really is. Why not? He's old enough to know now. So he takes off for the mainland. I am inclined, with some reservation, to believe the birth certificate story in 'Dreams' only because he describes an article from a local newspaper that was in the same place. And that article DID turn up much later, I have a copy. A copy of the bc he found...THAT'S the one we need to see!
To step up and remove Obama from that state's ballot. SoS Bennett in AZ is actually wavering ... something at which he is apparently quite adept. Tak'im off Bennett. Enter history as a hero.
Posting a fraudulent document over state lines should break some type of RICO law.
There was silence on some of the previously mentioned subject. Could this be a sign that legal actions are in the works.... hmmmm???
To whom do you refer?
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