Posted on 01/31/2012 3:54:11 AM PST by RaceBannon
I have decided, finally, I am going to vote for Ron Paul.
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Don’t even bother. When Snoop Dogg comes out in support of someone, its not because of his stand on the Fed.
So, lets make our own list, eh?
DRUG USE has led to:
premature deaths in users
premature deaths in those around the users due to the actions of those on drugs
loss of motor control and injuries caused by drug use
loss of memory, causing work accidents and reduced productivity
loss of coherent thinking in life, leading to people actually believing immorality is the answer to the law instead of recognizing people do NOT do good on their own, but will degrade themselves if allowed to
loss of coherent thinking in a person's future, whether it be lifestyle, a mate, or whether to go to the bathroom or go to Walmart...it is all the same, if you are using drugs, you aint thinking straight
Causing a person to chase women all the time instead of go to college free
Causing a person to allow themselves to be used as a sex toy in exchange for free drugs, ruining their reputation
causing a person to get sexually transmitted diseases because of their licentious lifestyle because they became drug users and associated only with those who did drugs
causing a person to unplug their television while their children are watching it so they can pawn it for drug money
causing a person to forget some critical step in a complex task causing an aircraft to crash, or a train to crash, or an automobile to crash
causing a person to lose self control and make a fool out of themselves in social situations at inopportune times causing that person to be a social outcast
Now, this list Can go on, but remember something: NOT ONCE did I mention anything that had to do with drugs being illegal
all these things happened because someone did drugs. NOT because they broke the law, not because they were in jail, but because they did drugs
BECAUSE THEY DID DRUGS and BECAUSE THEY DID DRUGS ALONE.
The RONULANS all make the strawman argument about legalization as being some cure.
People going to jail or people being hurt because of the rare occasions of Police mistakes are outweighed by a factor of millions when all you consider is the people who are harmed by the simple use of illegal drugs
The greatest loss America faces now, is the number of adult democrats due to marijuana useage as a teen or college age person.
i mean that, too
Marijuana use leads a person to be a Marxist or a Libertarian on moral issues, and never a Conservative.
and I ask myself, since the war on drugs started, there had to be a drug problem before it started, right?
I mean, there was a REASON it started, right?
So, since the very presence of drugs is what the problem is, and the law is trying to prevent the presence of drugs, how is legalizing that which caused the social problems to begin with going to help??
My main worry is that our country will be destroyed by debt. We are at a turning point, I think we passed 100% of GDP. And we’ve de-industrialized so we can’t properly grow our way out.
If we don’t get our financial house in order none of the rest will matter. So that is a significant concern.
I also don’t want this to become the soviet states of america. Tyrannies consist of central planners controlling every aspect of your lives - we are getting close to this.
As for the defense of the United States - I sleep very well at night knowing we have over 8,000 nuclear warheads ready to go after anyone who attacks us. Now that is real defense!
What I want is the free country I remember. When cops were friendly local guys and not militarized, hair trigger, bullies.
When not every single thing broke some federal law and regulation. When we declared our wars - and then won them within a few years.
The more and more I look at it, it come down to the candidate who is for the constitution, states rights, US sovereignty and fiscal responsibility.
I would like very much to live in a free country again, not one that has become so cowardly that we are afraid of our own shadows and we have to be ‘protected’ by TSA, EPA, BATF goon squads.
Also, I do know few people who plan to vote for Ron Paul - none of them use drugs. Most of them are real tough nut, good old boys who I’d trust my life to. One of them is the daughter of an Army Colonel and the head of her local Republican Women’s Committee and loved George Bush more than you can imagine. So the stereotype hasn’t played out as far as the people I know.
I’d certainly rather have RP as opposed to Romney!
Very well said.
(applause)
The pro-drug liberals on this site are sickening. I notice they never have the stones to take this liberaltarian pro-Paul crapola on main-stream threads in direct opposition to Jim Robinson’s express directives.
These Paultards are like cockroaches. They scurry around in the dark. Yet, when they screw up and say too much - they get the zot.
I destest libs. Libertarians and Liberals. (same thing)
Which "legitimate law enforcement effort'?
Legalize that crap, and the law enforcement folks can go after thieves and murderers and child molesters, and maybe even some criminals in the stinking government.
Funny how 'everyone' who thinks people who were against prohibition were drunken sots, p*ssing their pants on the sidewalk, or that someone who has a list is a "druggie loser".
There isn't too much on your list that couldn't be blamed on alcohol, is there?
Let's try that out, shall we?
DRUG ALCOHOL USE has led to:
premature deaths in users
premature deaths in those around the users due to the actions of those on drugs alcohol
loss of motor control and injuries caused by drug alcohol use
loss of memory, causing work accidents and reduced productivity
loss of coherent thinking in life, leading to people actually believing immorality is the answer to the law instead of recognizing people do NOT do good on their own, but will degrade themselves if allowed to
loss of coherent thinking in a person's future, whether it be lifestyle, a mate, or whether to go to the bathroom or go to Walmart...it is all the same, if you are using drugs drinking, you aint thinking straight
Causing a person to chase women all the time instead of go to college free (and here I thought puberty was sufficient)
Causing a person to allow themselves to be used as a sex toy in exchange for free drugs drinks, ruining their reputation
causing a person to get sexually transmitted diseases because of their licentious lifestyle because they became drug users alcoholics and associated only with those who did drugs drank
causing a person to unplug their television while their children are watching it so they can pawn it for drug beer money
causing a person to forget some critical step in a complex task causing an aircraft to crash, or a train to crash, or an automobile to crash
causing a person to lose self control and make a fool out of themselves in social situations at inopportune times causing that person to be a social outcast
Maybe we should try that Prohibition crap again, too?
Every step along either road is a conscious choice by the person using their substance of preference.
Self-destructive people will manage to be self-destructive, no matter what, laws or no laws, and they are doing a fine job of it.
Since the drug problem is the result of determined self-destructive people who are (maybe you noticed) IGNORING the law anyway, maybe the rest of us would like to be able to carry enough cash across a state line to dicker on equipment or a car without worrying about being pulled over and having it taken from us on the alleged presumption it is 'drug money'.
Maybe you don't value your liberty as much as your false security, or your magnanimous sense of 'saving' the druggies from themselves (a losing proposition most of the time--I know, I spent a decade and my best shot at retirement trying to save just one), or maybe you are making a little on the side over it being prohibited.
So here's another list backatcha, from a guy who runs ten or more ten million dollar projects a year and makes a decent six figure income doing it (neither 'druggie' nor 'loser').
Is it the 'job' of law enforcement to search premises, people, and effects without a warrant? (see the 4th Amendment).
Is it the job of Law enforcement to kick doors in, shoot the dog, and check the address later?
Is it the job of law enforcement to take money from people who have not been charged with a crime-- nor ever are--under the presumption that they are guilty of a drug crime they are often not even charged with?
If you cannot see the erosion of the Rights of Americans done in the name of the War on Drugs, you either are far younger than this great-grandpa, or you just haven't been paying attention.
Some of my friends have died protecting the Rights you would throw on the fire along with billions of dollars annually to protect the self-destructive from themselves, a battle that is a losing battle at best.
The only greater debacle in American History is the War on Poverty.
In the meantime, the Cartels control our southern border, armed with money that has never been taxed, and corrupting many of those who would have otherwise taken action against them. Namely, our own government which is supposed to not only be protecting American soverignty, but our Constitutional Rights.
The rest of us, those who do not do drugs are still paying for the failures, not just in extraconstitutional social programs, but with our Liberty as well.
The flip side of the War on drugs, is that once it is allowed that the Federal Government has the power to regulate what adults willingly consume (such as 'illegal' drugs), it is a short hop to say it has the lawful power to regulate what you willingly eat or drink, what medicines or herbal supplements you take, whether or not you consume tobacco, how much salt you consume, your total caloric intake, whether you are allowed to inhale the fumes from essential oils, use bath salts, etc., without limit, because you already granted them that power when you said it was OK to regulate weeds and their alkaloids or derrivatives (because someone else was using them).
So, if some bunch of latter day hippies decides to dump the seeds out of their grass on your farm, you could lose the place for 'manufacturing a controlled substance'.
Sheesh! Might as well sell raw milk.
But if you want to be hung up on just this one issue, you will never understand the Ron Paul supporters, who would be happy to see the Department of Education, the EPA, DHS, and other agencies extinct and others severely downsized.
I think it is odd to be called a 'liberal' (I assume that wasn't in the Jeffersonian sense) by those who would not see that the Federal Government is incredibly out of its Constitutional bounds, and getting worse at an accelerating pace.
With the deals cut in Fast and Furious selling firearms to straw buyers who were sure to deliver them to Drug Cartels, and the DEA laundering drug money supposedly as part of a sting operation which never really stung anyone, the potential for corruption is self-evident, those at the highest levels who are supposed to be enforcing these laws are breaking them, and that can only mean someone is making money.
Ditto on border enforcement: why hasn't the Southern Border been closed? Eisenhower (yep, IKE) had "Operation Wetback", and since then, what?
No way I won't believe someone was making big bucks on Acapulco Gold or Panama Red before cocaine became popular (now meth, 'cause the cooks just can't get cold medicine like they used to--and neither can you!).
Is that working?
In a word, NO.
But keep doing the same thing over and over. Maybe next time.
Right.
Yup. I think the reason it started was to create the problem and offer the solution on the federal scale along with corrupting society. Just like alcohol, it seems that when you ban a substance, criminals are turned into wealthy kings who end-up getting their people into public office. What’s the only logical solution to rid ourselves of illegal drugs and the social problems it feeds into? Execution of users and sellers. Anything less only feeds government corruption as we blatantly see now on every level. How else can we be safe and secure in our societal structuring?
LOL! (Saul Alinsky).
Not in Virginia it isn't--they are the two on the primary ballot, and there are NO write-ins.
I think for one ending incarceration of drug users will be one step to justice.
Ask yourself what created the mafia. It was the prohibition of alcohol. Drugs prohibition gave rise to drug empires. If we stopped making it illegal the black market would end.
Oh, Pulleze, the Mafia was created by criminals who just hung out together
They started it on prostitution, too
loan sharking
gambling
protection rackets
If what you said was true, there would BE no mafia anymore
So is it okay if Ron Paul says he’s going to leave slavery up to the states too? Fundamental moral crimes such as allowing harmful, addictive drugs to be produced and distributed should not be an optional matter for anyone living in the UNITED States.
Fundamental moral crimes such as allowing harmful, addictive drugs to be produced and distributed should not be an optional matter for anyone living in the UNITED States. How you gonna stop em? Execution is the final solution it seems.
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