JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA to APPEAR to Testify

Atlanta Admin Court ^ | 1/20/2012 | Judge Malihi

[GregNH]

Defendant, President Barack Obama, a candidate seeking the Democratic nomination for the office of the President of the United States, has filed a motion to quash the subpoena compelling his attendance at the hearing on January 26, 2012.

[bushpilot1]

Give it up...Harvard College awarded Washington a Doctor of Laws in the Law of Nations (1776).

[Seizethecarp]

“Does he think that denying the marriage of his mother denies the parentage of his father, regardless of the legality of the marriage? What does he do about the divorce decree?”

See my comment #316...

[Danae]

If there was no Marriage why was there a divorce? If there was a Divorce, there was a marriage. If the marriage was illegitimate, then the court would have stated that the marriage didn’t need to be dissolved because there was no marriage.

Stanley Ann divorced Barack Obama. Therefore there was a marriage.

It is going to be difficult to get around this issue without a FULL release of all Obama’s records. This suits me just fine. MAKE the cretin come clean with America at last!

If Obummer is going to state he is a Bastard, he will have to prove it contrary to his own narrative of himself. I will sincerely enjoy his discomfort in THAT endeavor!

[Seizethecarp]

“Ain’t gonna fly...remember ‘Dreams from MY Father’?”

See my comment #316...

[GregNH]

I picked this story up from the Post & Email this morning and found it to be incorrect as it reported that the subpoena for “documents” was upheld only to find out that is the subpoena for Zero to appear. So that is how I reported it. But now and ofr the last few hours the P&E website has been down...

[BuckeyeTexan]

Give up what?

[Seizethecarp]

“New ad claims: Obama born to a single mom. (so, now he is illegitimate?)”

See my comment #316...

[bushpilot1]

A recent comment from an Obot on another forum..this seems to be the new spin..

“But is there a marriage certificate? Even if there were, he was already married, so the marriage wouldn’t be legal. He had a wife and child in Kenya.”

[Godebert]

Wow. I’ve never seen the P & E site down before. I smell a dirty rat.

[Seizethecarp]

“That story would only PROVES his BIRTH CERTIFICATE(S) ARE FAKE.”

Or...that Barry’s mom was legally single because his father was a bigamous sexual predator...who appeared on his (alleged) HI BC as a claimed father but NOT a LEGAL father...therefore NOT capable of transmitting UK dual citizenship under the BNA of 1948.

See my comments #289 and #316.

No dual citizenship..then not the legal son of an alien...then no NBC problem if you can convince five SCOTUS judges...provided your HI BC is not forged!

[Seizethecarp]

“Blood relationship is a key component of U.S. citizenship law.”

It is well established international law going back to the founders that the child of a legally single mother has only the unitary citizenship of the mother. I believe that this is why Barry is suddenly claiming to be a bastard in the very week that this case comes up in GA.

Only a child of a legitimate (non-bigamous) marriage becomes a UK subject at birth regardless of “blood relationship” and without UK citizenship at birth Barry is not a dual citizen, thus much more likely to be considered NBC, IMO (only SCOTUS could decide).

See my comments #289 and #316

[Las Vegas Ron]

Michell said Obama was born to a single mother:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2430278/posts

Just tossing this out there...

[IrishPennant]

I have not...and certainly appreciate the recommendation. Just as my fairly recent return to the church I have found myself with a return to the founders over the past few years...and sadly have primarily and somewhat lazily focused on what I can find on the History Channel and such. I have heard there were a number of great books on Washington that should be read...may be time to raise my low, slopping forehead and go to print!!!

[jcsjcm]

She certified him, but didn’t certify he was eligible because he ISN’T eligible and she knew it... that’s why she didn’t vet him, she knew he couldn’t meet the requirements.

Danae,
Didn't Pelosi certify for Hawaii only that he was constitutionally eligible, but did not for the other 49 states. I thought Hawaii refused to let him on the ballot unless it stated constitutionally eligible? I could be wrong... It was a long, long time ago. So much has happened!

[Smokeyblue]

I agree that he will try in whatever “weasely” way he can to try and save himself but my overall point was that he has boxed himself into a story with Obama Sr. as his father.

Some things may not effect him legally but his whole narrative changes (Dreams From My Father) and opens up different avenues in which he has lied.

There will (or should) be other (legal) ramifications like Butterdezillions post below:

“If these are the claims he’s making now, then he’s claiming that somebody in Hawaii definitely needs to go to jail for manipulating the 1960-65 marriage index as well as the 1960-64 birth index.

[show]

Why do people say he was born in Canada? These Unwed Mothers homes were near Seattle but why do they think he was born in Canada?

A report by the Canadian Welfare Council of 1957 estimated there were about thirty such homes across Canada. By the end of the 1960’s there were roughly fifty homes” – “Gone to an Aunts”, Anne Petrie

During the 1800’s compassionate Victorian ladies were disturbed by the plight of unmarried mothers who had no resources and strived to create “Maternity Homes” which were homes to give those mothers a safe place to take their pregnancy to term, and to learn to care for and nurture their babies. At no time were mothers and babies separated, and in fact, in Minnesota, there was actually a Breast Feeding Statute that stated a mother had to breast feed for at least three months (Minnesota Three Month Nursing Regulation), which was devised to keep mother and child together and to promote bonding. The mother in this scenario however, was a “Fallen Women” and her baby labelled “illegitimate” or a “bastard”. The stigma attached to these labels were heavy indeed.

After World War II with the onset of the profession of Social Work, society decided that unmarried mothers could be rehabilitated or “made marriageable” again after being pregnant and giving birth. These same Maternity Homes and policies that were devised to help mothers and children stay together now became the means to separate them as adoption became the vehicle by which a mother could “be redeemed”.

Many of these homes were run by religious organizations in conjunction with the province. The Salvation Army and the Misericordia Sisters were the most prominent, but each denomination seemed to have their own facility for the “unwed mother” as the list below will show.

In her article “Not By Choice” Karen Wilson Buterbaugh shows how thought reform was alive and well in the Maternity Homes of that period.

Keep a Person Unaware

Girls were not instructed about pregnancy, labor, delivery; were left totally alone during labor and delivery; were not allowed contact with new mothers; not provided information about welfare and Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), child support and other government programs.

Control their environment and time.

Girls forced to live in maternity “homes”; made to use fictitious names or first names and last initials only; allowed no contact with friends and boy-friends by letter, phone or in person; kept away from everything familiar; made to follow strict daily routines.

Create a sense of powerlessness.

Took away our money (pay phones only); no personal (familiar) clothing; not allowed freedom to come and go; removed everything that would remind us of who we were.

Rewards and punishments to inhibit behaviour reflecting former identity.

Called “neurotic” if we said no to “relinquishing”; told we were “out of touch with reality” and “selfish” if we kept our babies; told our pregnancy was “proof of unfitness.”

Rewards and punishments promoting group’s beliefs or behaviors.

Allowed no television, phone, visitation or radio privileges if not following rules; scolding and de-meaning lectures for disagreeing; harangued when speaking up against “counseling” (reasons why we should “choose” adoption); praised for agreeing to surrender.

Use logic and authority which permits no feedback.

Director, caseworkers and housemothers enforced strict rules and rigid schedule: wakeup, bedtime, meals, chores and approved visitation; censored mail (both incoming and outgoing); no legal counsel; no support system.

It seems clear that all of the thought reform conditions were present during the many months we were forced to hide away in maternity homes.

Rickie Solinger, in Wake Up Little Susie: Single Pregnancy and Race Before Roe v. Wade (1992), gives us a sense of the maternity home environment:

The world of maternity homes in postwar America was a gothic attic obscured from the community by the closed curtains of gentility and high spiked fences. The girls and women sent inside were dreamwalkers serving time, pregnant dreamwalkers taking the cure. Part criminal, part patient, the unwed mother arrived on the doorstep with her valise and, moving inside, found herself enclosed within an idea…

Maternity homes… served to further stigmatize pregnant young women by removing them from their families, friends and neighbors… these “homes” could create an austere and frightening atmosphere for the mother, whose freedom of movement was strictly curtailed by these instant chaperones and guardians. Typically, mothers were expected to help out in these homes with chores such as cleaning, dishwashing, and so on… while the mother’s physical needs were met, seldom were her emotional needs addressed…

Most of these homes are now closed and thankfully so, but the history of the”Home for Unwed Mother” is not over as the mothers that resided there from after World War II to well into the l980’s are now giving voice to their stories and experiences during their incarceration there, and their stories must be preserved for their children.

http://www.originscanada.org/homes-for-unwed-mothers/

[Seizethecarp]

“If there was no Marriage why was there a divorce? If there was a Divorce, there was a marriage. If the marriage was illegitimate, then the court would have stated that the marriage didn’t need to be dissolved because there was no marriage.”

There are sham marriages and sham divorces for different reasons.

In this case, in 2011 a national best seller “The Other Barack” announced to the world that BHO Sr. kicked out of the USA for being a suspected bigamist and serial predator making the Ayers-writen “Dreams” a fantasy.

The “improbable love” narrative was key to Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign and his 2008 campaign but the narrative is toast for the 2012 campaign.

So to get down with the folks Axelrod is now trying to sell Obama as a kid from the hood...child of s single mother. So BHO Sr goes under the bus...just like he threw Barry and his mom under the bus.

There was no legal marriage in HI under US and UK law if BHO Sr had a legal tribal marriage already in Kenya. No Muslim plural marriage escape applies because HI would not recognize a plural marriage. Kenya would almost certainly not recognize the HI marriage as a plural Muslm marriage, nor did UK law recognize any foreign marriage that would not have been legal in HI. (My head is spinning...)

So even if there was a civil marriage in Maui on Feb 2 1961 (no actual marriage documentation is yet in evidence), it would have been bigamous in both HI in Kenya if BHO Sr was criminally bigamous, as was stated to be suspected by US INS and the U of HI files!

Fortunately for Obama the “sting” of being a bastard is greatly reduced by him no longer being a UK subject at birth and thus much more likely to be ruled by SCOTUS to be NBC. But, as I have said no FR and on Leo Donofrio’s site for two years now, Obama has always known this could be a fall-back on the NBC issue.

[Mimi3]

But what about the birth announcements? The birth announcements stated that a child was born to Mr an Mrs Obama. And their address was given, as well. The implication was that the parents were living at this address together.

[BuckeyeTexan]

I don’t subscribe to the theory that dual citizenship is the problem with Obama. The issue, as I see it, is the citizenship of Obama’s parents. He does not have two U.S. citizen parents. That’s different from Obama himself having dual citizenship.

Other countries’ citizenship laws do not negate U.S. citizenship laws. Each nation has the right to declare who are and are not its citizens.

If Germany declared my father, who was born in the U.S., a citizen because his grandfather was born in Germany and my father’s German citizenship passed to me at birth giving me dual citizenship, that wouldn’t change the fact that I was born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents and am a natural-born citizen.

[Mimi3]

I don’t think the new sham marriage angle is going to fly. It will just show that the previous biographical details were not true. It doesn’t look good for his legend. What dreams of my father?