Posted on 10/24/2011 2:50:06 PM PDT by ventanax5
I saw the grisly footage of Qaddafi’s murder on television. I had first to turn off the sound. Then, ashamed, I turned off the television. I have nothing more to say than that I am appalled that my country had anything to do with this grotesque caricature of justice. Actually, to call it a grotesque caricature of justice is to trivialize it. I have no words for it.
I’m not naive and I realize that the U.S. has taken part in assassinations, killings, etc., but there is something about this that simply takes my breath away. I want nothing to do with it. I’m in a complete state of dissociation with our political leaders, Republican and Democrat. I am thoroughly disaffected.
I’m not exactly mourning Qaddafi’s death. He was a very bad man who killed Americans. But what do you do? He seems to have reformed a bit in latter years. He stuck to his treaties and stopped baiting the U.S. He even said a few conciliatory, realistic things about Israel. I’m not saying this turned him into a Good Guy, but it showed he was sane. Now he’s gone and we’re supposed to rejoice? No thank you! Libya will turn to hell.
I do not believe I am alone in feeling so disgusted with just about everything, except my own life, which is going rather well. So I can’t be accused of generalizing my own misery. I am not miserable. Our politics is.
Laura writes:
I am appalled too. The average American seems to accept the media’s pro-democracy fairy tale. Our country took part in the assassination of someone who posed no imminent threat to us and, in doing so, aided avowed enemies. This is not a fairy tale, but a horror story.
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All things considered, I think we'll have ended up cutting off our nose for a little short term 'payback' gratification here.
As far as I am concerned, the man who was responsible for the Lockerbie bombing got what was coming to him.
At the point of a gun -- by threatening to blow his terrorist ass to hell if he didn't abandon his WMD program. That's the only language he and his Arab brethren understand. A "friend" or "ally", he wasn't.
...and now we have killed him.
Too bad he wasn't killed back in '86 at the Bab al-Azizia compound during Operation El Dorado Canyon. ...which Reagan ordered.
True, I was thinking of the culture from which I sprang, all Western European countries, maybe one Native American out of thousands; no one knows.
Well, colonial American had its cruelties, but improved over the worst of what happened in Europe. A lot of hypocrisy and duplicity that exists to this day.
Don't have any Asian ancestors maybe many many centuries back. I don't know if they enjoyed the spectacle of suffering like some French and English did. There are accounts of persons who could not be executioners, etc., and I don't know what motivated the others, the pay, blood lust, hard to imagine.
I'm not trying to paint us as all one way or the other.
I’m not defending him , I’m defending the agreement.
That may be, but it has nothing to do with the statements made by the poster to whom I was responding.
Personally speaking here, I think the sooner islam congeals into a single “caliphate,” the sooner we can whack Mecca, even if the next terror attack on us comes from Tehran.
99% of islam is united, and of one piece, in its ideology and goals. An attack from one needs to be considered an attack from all.
Maybe if enough “islamic states” crop up, we’ll be able to see them for what they are: one.
all that is so true Mr Mojo, but doesnt it make you go “hmmm” that just two years ago Senators McCain Granmnesty and Lieberman were in Libya shaking Qadaffi’s hand and Senator Suzy Dits Collins dropped him a curtsy “in a spirit of mutual respect anfd friendship”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYVWT_kDTsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNfztA1i0ts
And that Qadaffi was allowed to come here to NY and sat two seats from the President of the USA obama and shook HIS hand too?
Osama Bin Laden gets a muslim funeral on the fantail of a US carrier while the Brits (who don’t even get oil from Libya) blow Qadaffis’ convoy to bits as he runs away, and drive him into the arms of a screaming demonic lynch mob who are our new “allies”... and obama congratulates the “people of Libya” on this step toward democracy?
Really, now? Is that what democracy is? Can the Tea Party get some quality time with Nancy Pelosi then (sarc)?
WTF is going on here?
By Ted Belman
http://www.israpundit.com/archives/40676#comments
As readers of Israpundit know full well, I have been very critical of the West for its attack on Libya. I went so far as to suggest all the people and groups who are incessant in their attacks on Israel, are complicit or asleep when it comes to the war on Libya.
Today Robert E Kaplan called me to discuss certain happenings and he pointed out to me the writings of John Rosenthal who had written that
Actually, there are reasons to doubt Libyan responsibility for both the Berlin disco bombing and the Lockerbie bombing.
Re. the Berlin disco bombing, I think most Americans don’t realize that the bomber was in fact German. She was tried and convicted. She had been married to a Palestinian guy who is alleged to have had contacts with Libyan intelligence – though she was no longer even married to him at the time that she planted the bomb.
Re Lockerbie, the evidence for Megrahi’s – and by extension, Libyan – involvement is extremely circumstantial. One of the UN’s own official observers of the Scottish trial, Hans Köchler, has denounced the proceedings as a miscarriage of justice. (See here for related documents.) There is again a German connection – the suitcase containing the bomb was loaded onto a flight originating in Frankfurt – and it even appears that German authorities quashed leads that pointed elsewhere: namely, to Palestinian terrorists. See here, for instance. If one connects all the dots, it certainly seems plausible that Libya and Qaddafi were used as scapegoats and that “Uncle Sucker,” as you say, fell for it.
Rosenthal also wrote, A Political Court: The ICC, Gaddafi, and Libyan Rebel War Crimes
Last month, to much fanfare, the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Muammar al-Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi, and Libyan military intelligence chief Abdullah Al-Senussi. ICC chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo had filed an application for the warrants in May. Among those celebrating the court’s decision was, of course, the Libyan opposition’s National Transitional Council (NTC), which promised to assemble a special commando unit to arrest Gaddafi. The head of the NTC Executive Council, Mahmud Jibril, even flew to The Hague to mark the occasion. The ICC website features a photograph of Moreno-Ocampo shaking hands with Jibril on the steps of the court.
Hardly anything could better illustrate the essentially political nature of the International Criminal Court. As is well known, Libyan government forces and alleged mercenaries in the pay of the Libyan government have been accused in media reports of deliberately killing civilians and committing other atrocities. These reports have served as the justification for western military intervention in Libya under the mantle of UN Security Council Resolution 1973. As is less well-known, there is extensive and virtually incontrovertible evidence of horrific atrocities committed by rebel forces in the territories under their control.
Indeed, the rebels’ contempt for the traditional laws and customs of war is so flagrant that the most telling evidence consists of videos that appear to have been filmed by rebels or rebel sympathizers themselves, either as “trophies” or for purposes of intimidation. One did not need to wait for Human Rights Watch tentatively to acknowledge abuses committed by rebel forces in four western Libyan towns, as it did last week. The video evidence of rebel atrocities has been readily available for months now, almost from the very start of the rebellion. The atrocities depicted in the videos include at least two beheadings, two public hangings, one lynching, several beatings, a summary execution of a group of up to 22 captured soldiers (the so-called Al-Baida Massacre), grotesquely inhumane and demeaning treatment of prisoners, and numerous other more minor violations of humanitarian law.
Diana West wrote
Timing is everything. Qaddafi was not killed in retaliation for his attacks on American servicemen in Berlin in 1986, or the downing of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie in 1989. He was not killed for his central role in the USSR’s terror networks going back to the 1960s and 1970s. He was killed after coming over to our side of George Bush’s “war on terror” in the final phase of a civil war in Libya in which his regime fought al Qaeda affiliates.
Horrific as it sounds, Qaddafi was killed because we and our NATO allies joined the other side — the al Qaeda affiliates.
In this article she quotes Lawrence Auster who wrote,
We are not a moral state; we are not a state under the rule of law. We are, as Solzhenitsyn said of the Soviet Union, an ideological state, a state that will do anything, violate any agreement, betray any ally or friend, tell any lie, cover up any truth, in order to advance its ideology and its power that is associated with that ideology.
In betraying and killing a foreign leader with whom we had made peace, we have taken on terrible karma. I tremble to think of how that karma will manifest itself against us in the years to come.
These three authors have been consistent in their assessment of the Libya attacks.They are all on the right. I don’t have to quote from Pepe Escobar a leftists, to disclose the reality.
Auster also attacks McCain for supporting this rape. Drudge also sees it our way as does Michelle Bachman (the only candidate to do so).
This is ominous for Israel.
As a side note, the West betrayed Libya for oil. Israel has found a vast amount of gas and oil in her international waters. Lebanon has challenged Israel’s ownership of these resources and she is backed by Turkey who is also threatening Crete in her joint exploration with Israel of her international waters. And guess what? America did not support Israel and Germany supports Turkey.
Beware the West.
I can’t really muster up any sympathy. Qaddafi was a POS, the world is better off without him, yeah it probably could have gone down in a “cleaner” way, but the world tends to be results oriented, and the result is there’s one less rotten SOB on the planet.
and their second contract hit man sits in Syria protected by the Russian Navy as he slaughters his people
obama praises the Libyan savages with Blackberries who replaced the Libyan savages with Rolexes, praises the “Libyan people” for their democracy and cautions Egyptian Copts to be patient as they are slaughtered
The hypocrisy of the West on this whole matter is astounding, I don't know how we recover from this schizophrenic foreign policy in which we are tangled
You know, there is a whole other world out there and most of ‘em aren’t civilized. When you ask for diversity, you may get some of this.
It is not an issue that he was killed nor the way. Nothing in his death is atypical for that region. What is atypical is the way the Adminstration gloated about it’s “victory.”. “We came, we saw, he died” chuckled Hillary (probably the same reaction when she was told that Vince Foster died). A better response would have bee “We came, we offered surrender he refused and died”. He was a brutal man obviously our “allies” are just as brutal. This is a victory but a hollow one, should have been handled better. Even worse is that it took billions of dollars and months to achieve this pyhrric victory.
If someone is responsible for the next proximate cause of death, it's the French Air Force. They were the ones who shot up the column.
The Mediterranean has become an incredibly dangerous place in the past year. Radical islamists now control all but two nations in North Africa and I doubt Algeria and Morocco are far behind. We shouldn’t overlook the fact that they now control the Suez canal as well.
Thank you for your posts on this matter.
I agree that the USA was behind his capture and did nothing to make sure he had a trial.
Would that not have been a healing thing for the victims of his treachery? Watch him being accused and then the sentence carried out in public? that’s the civilized way to do things.
It seems our leadership is now on the side of savages and approves of what they did.
Shame on them!
I found it more disturbing that US “Progressives” viewed the film and said.
“Hey Banksters, you are NEXT”. They were specifically referring to the torture and murder of Ghadaffi.
Don’t be mistaken. We have monsters here, to.
There really are monsters. They LOOK just like us. But inside they are full of murder, lies and the love of falsehoods.
Read your bible. Romans chapter 1
Their response is solely based on the letter that is next to the name of the President. Had a Republican been in the White House, they would have been appalled at Gadhafi's fate....instead, they grab the pom poms, when a Democrat is in the White House.
thought it was the RAF
anyhow, “NATO” R us
If Bush and Cheney were in the WH the left of the world would rightly be calling this a war crime.
Hear Hear!
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