Posted on 08/18/2011 8:38:20 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
At the request of tea party leaders in Arizona, famed Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has promised to investigate the validity of Barack Obama's purported long-form birth certificate in a determination of the president's eligibility for the county's 2012 election ballot.
Read more: Arizona sheriff promises Obama-eligibility probe http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=335261#ixzz1VRTcHdoo
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
The hearing is on Orly's Motion to Compel. The purpose is for Orly to explain to the court why she is entitled to inspect them.
Significant difference - proving a claim vs. disproving a claim
The hostility, at least at FR, is from birthers toward anti-birthers. The mud slinging on eligibility threads starts with a birther attacking an anti-birther 9 times out of 10.
Correct.
This time they didn't even wait for an anti-birther to say anything.
It was a classic. You would likely enjoy it.
It embarrasses me to tell you this. My own son (now 28, and still at home) was very enthusiastic about Obama during and at least for a while following the 2008 election. (I don't think he cares for my politics!) On April 27th, the DAY of the Bamie BC II release, when he came home from work, opened the front door and just assuming I was sitting at the kitchen table, he called out, "It's over." He came into the kitchen and I asked him what it was that was over. He said, "Obama. It's all over the internet. His birth certificate is a fraud." We don't talk about this stuff much, or at all, but my guess is that he's forgotten about it by now.
My job will be to remind him.
Our job is to remind everybody. I just think forcing Obama to fight to get on the ballot will cause a serious credibility problem for him. As things might head in that direction anyway, we may get to find out.
1) Birthers, in my opinion, are those who persist in believing that there is some kind of conspiracy to cover-up the circumstances surrounding BHO’s birth. Whether those circumstances are his parentage, location of birth, gender, religion, or other new ideas that get thought up as the conspiracy theories evolve.
From what I’ve seen, they have a tendency to latch on to other fallacies as well. The name seems to currently encompass a variety of stories and opinions regarding BHO’s Social Security number too.
As we are dealing with a group, there will always be variations and differences. Some current Birthers don’t believe that BHO was born in Kenya (though in 2008 this was a required tenet of faith). They might instead think that BHO’s father was someone other than BHO Sr..
Birthers are rather interesting in the same way JFK assassination conspiracy fanatics are. They cannot, to any appreciable extent, agree among themselves as to what actually happened. They can only agree that the truth is something other than what someone else thinks it is.
I don’t necessarily lump all the dual-citizenship or non-citizen parentage folks into this camp. I personally think an NBC should have two citizen parents. But from what I can tell, the legal support for this isn’t there. Others disagree, that’s fine.
2) As for behavior, from what I’ve seen you personally behave pretty well towards those who disagree with Birthers. I think you are quick to make assumptions about them, but I cannot deny that you seem to comport yourself well. Butterdezillion is the same way. We each think the other is waaay off the mark, but she treats people decently and with a certain level of respect.
That said, I’ve been called far too many vile names and accused of too many unnatural acts by other Birthers over the last three years to be very moved by those who would hie to their fainting couches every time a Birther gets called a fool, an idiot or is confronted by the word ‘crap’.
As for your last question, this is something that Birthers as a whole seem to be unable to get past. You see, you don’t need to take BHO’s word for anything on this. Question everything BHO says. That’s all good and well and reasonable. But what about Hawaiian vital records? Or newspaper archives? Or the good faith and commitment of Conservative legal foundations. Or Conservative commentators and pundits. Must a person resort to the wildest speculation to toss aside Hawaiian vital records, include Republicans in the conspiracy, claim the USSC is being blackmailed, argue that the Judicial Branch is in the tank for BHO or play conformational bias games with information just because the target is someone they detest?
No chance at all that it's because Birthers are not just wrong, but wildly wrong and their actions are readily used by the media to paint Conservatives with Birther kookiness?
Even if you believe you are correct can you accept the possibility that others, in good faith, think you are incorrect and that is why they argue a contrary point of view?
And that’s not unusual. If we don’t show up, they ask where we are and make snide comments about how we must be re-grouping or don’t know how to respond. If we do show up, they make snide comments about how we must be in a panic or are afraid. Either way, our response or lack of one makes them happy.
ML/NJ
Yes.
And any federal officials or bureaucrats must, if requested by a county sheriff, show under authority they are operating, when they come to a county on federal government business. That is, they have to show the authoritative legislation or other constitutional order in order to act as a representative of the federal government there.
Yes, or no?
Will you take the bet I offer you in post #157?
Yes, or no?
What evidence do you use in your assumption that (1) Obama Sr was Barry’s dad and (2) Ann Dunham was Barry’s mom?
With all respect, BT, my recollection is just the opposite.
I recall the years of threads and those vehmently against the search for the truth about his eligibility .. many now zotted obots .. on those threads, where those of us researching and seeking the actual truth were slammed, snarked and personally attacked.
Perhaps, with the passage of time and more and more folks realizing there is definitely something amiss and fishy about him and the realization of all his empty suitedness, failings, deceptiveness, fuzzy past, obfuscations, etc. etc., and the fact that SO many of anti-eligibility posters are now vaporized from FR (one notable one just a couple of days ago .. that curious one), there aren’t so many posts attacking those of us seeking the truth.
But you must remember those who were relentless in posting all kinds of nastiness, cutdowns, mocking, and sarcasm to those who’re simply want surety that the Constitutional eligibility requirement is officially affirmed.
Don’t you recall all those who’re now gone? Ender Wiggins? How could you forget Parsi? I recall you posting agreeably with him at times.
Oh, poor baby. Still angry about missing out on the invite to Martha’s Vineyard?
Excerpt:
Arpaio told the tea party leaders the complaint is within his jurisdiction, and he will be forced to investigate. He said he expects political pressure, but he pointed out that as the chief law enforcement officer of Maricopa County, he’s taken an oath to respond to citizens who approach him about enforcing the law.
Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Lt. Justin Griffin confirmed to WND that Arpaio is “waiting to receive all the documentation and all the investigative material from Dr. Jerry Corsi, and then he will look into the matter and compare it to the Arizona revised statutes.”
“I think what we’ve seen is history created today,” said Surprise tea party leader Brian Reilly. “This is probably the first time in this country that citizens have gone to a sheriff over a national issue.” Reilly said he’s “extremely grateful” that Arpaio will look into the matter is “hopeful that this will achieve what we’re expecting to achieve on this issue, which is the truth.”
“We’re trying to get to the truth,” he emphasized.
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Got anything comparable that contravenes that?
So that’s a no?
You decline the bet?
At one point, I was blamed for inciting the hostility on the eligibility threads. I was told that if I weren't present on the threads and would simply leave the birthers alone to do their research and discuss the issue, there wouldn't be such animosity between birthers and anti-birthers.
To prove how absolutely absurd that claim was, I agreed to remove myself from the eligibility threads for a period of two weeks and not only that but also to stop pinging the Sanity Squad to the eligibility threads to avoid the appearance of "calling in the dogs." During that two weeks, the birthers found another boogeyman and continued slinging mud. They were just as hostile and vicious as always.
And when I returned, I became an even bigger target. There have been multiple campains to have me banned - probably still are. Birthers have even gone so far as to attack my faith in Christ. What does my faith have to do with Obama's eligibility? (Nothing.) I haven't questioned a birther's faith in Christ. I think they're wrong not evil. In an attempt to end the infighting, I even suggested that we not engage each other on eligibility threads. I proposed that we let birthers and anti-birthers have separate discussions on the same thread. That certainly didn't work.
If you pick a group of eligibility threads and review them as I did, you will see that 9 times out of 10, it's a birther who starts slinging mud.
I wrote what I did because (1) I have been stunned by the anger and hatred I’ve seen expressed toward so-called ‘birthers’ and (2) just lately I’ve been equally stunned by learning more about who is financing such anti-birther sites as Fogbow. Honestly, Sordo, I totally understand why Obama’s supporters are rabid on the subject, but I’m incapable of comprehending how or why conservatives would express so much rage and raw hatred against fellow conservatives just because they disagree about Obama’s birth narrative. If you can comprehend the fury of fellow conservatives on this issue, then I can see why we disagree on the subject of motives.
As for me, I just engaged in a discussion with a poster who is obsessed with discrediting ‘birthers’, yet who has zero FR posts that in any way criticize Obama or support conservativism in general. I respect the true conservatives who oppose ‘birtherism’; I have no problem with agreeing to disagree. A person has to be blind, though, not to see now many trolls come onto this site for no other reason that to shill Soros’ lines re: Obama’s eligibility. I take exception to that. If you’re fine with it, so be it.
With all of that said, I have made an effort to mend fences with many birthers and have even established cordial relationships with a few. I now try to stick to the issues on the eligibility threads and save my hostility for Orly/WND/Smith.
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