Posted on 06/24/2011 6:25:19 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
In a February 13, 1818 letter to H. Niles, John Adams wrote:
But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was affected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.
The first shots of the Second American Revolution have not been fired, but the battle lines have been drawn.
There is now a radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the American people.
Petitioning the current Congress for the redress of grievances is futile. Members of Congress have turned a deaf ear to the voices of their constituents.
The present occupiers of the US Government openly violate the Constitution, are hopelessly corrupt and politically correct, have brought us to the brink of bankruptcy, have opened our borders to illegal immigration and have permitted a fifth column promoting Sharia law to infiltrate our society.
They can no longer be trusted as guardians of our posterity.
Not a week goes by without yet another document analyst claiming that his Certificate of Live Birth presented by Obama at his press conference on April 27, 2011 is a forgery.
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
In fact, in this very thread I have changed my views, at least somewhat, in response to FACTUAL information provided by philman.
You can read my reply to him for more information.
Thats a direct holding of the case. Hence, it is stated at the the top of the syllabus.
It seems that the dictum versus precedent argument is a bust for the dictum side. I've read the article twice now and I'm still weighing what he's said and the implications.
That may be, and I don't agree with his "eat crow and like it" approach.
However, at the same time, you have NO IDEA the degree to which so many of the birthers have CRUCIFIED anybody who doesn't buy into their belief system. They've been doing it for MONTHS, if not years.
It's personal attack after personal attack after personal attack. It no longer bothers me, because I've been attacked so many times now that it's like a pebble off of an elephant's hide. Being the target of what is in many instances hate speech is normal for me now.
I don't really like FR to be like this, but it's out of my control. I'd rather see those who engage in personal attacks unceremoniously booted, but for whatever reason, JR and the moderators tolerate it. Probably, if I had to guess, because they've just been worn down and given up on it, except in "extreme" cases.
I try to defend myself in a civil way, but sometimes you get tired of continually trying to be civil to those who are well beyond uncivil.
That being the way things are, I really can't blame anyone who decides they need to fight fire with fire.
Sad commentary when conservatives can't hash things out without things getting really ugly, but on the controversial issues, that's how it is.
No, what I said - or at least what I meant - was that I've read the article, though not with full attention, and need at some point to reread it and work through the arguments in detail.
In fact, it probably wouldn't hurt me to read Donofrio's whole blog.
The problem is, stuff like this takes an enormous amount of time. And, despite all snarky allegations to the contrary, I don't get paid for freeping.
Yeah, people have been slinging mud here for years. I believe the term "Congresscritters" was used for the very first time right here at FR. (not that any of them would show up here to 'hear' it) As you say, you get used to it. I've been called a pothead on the WOsD threads so many times it's not even funny. You use the elephant metaphor and I use the duck's back metaphor.
Nor should you get upset if somebody calls you a troll. Hell, I've been called an ogre and I consider it to be an apt description and a compliment.
Enjoy your stay here however long or short it may be. Your posting history will speak for itself so after about a decade or more you should be fine.
Sometimes it's a bit difficult to be patient with people who have absolutely zero patience for me. None. What-so-ever.
I would suggest, however, that you do need to work on not making qualifying statements like that. It gives the impression of being disingenuous.
Well, I'm not going to change my mind on the basis of new and INvalid information!
Would you? :-)
I have read Minor v. Happersett, by the way.
Well good for you! From your replies you appear to have read much more than that.
And, despite all snarky allegations to the contrary, I don't get paid for freeping.
I wish I did get paid to FReep. Alas, I don't.
Oh, I learn things all the time.
Maybe we can set up a charity that pays people to FReep?
Okay, back to reality now...
Not to mention, to bed. I’m calling it a night.
Thanks for the intelligent conversation, and a good night to you!
You presented, IMO, INvalid information to me. And rather than believe your INvalid information I do believe I managed within a few replies to completely squash your argument.
381 In fact, in this very thread I have changed my views, at least somewhat, in response to FACTUAL information provided by philman.
But, then again, I could be wrong.
According to the 1949 BNA, only children of the first wife inherit British nationality.
Well, I can tell you that Obama will never be “my” president. I cannot wait for his last day in office!
Did you ever hear of the WISE old owl.
>> ... the killing of Obama ...
Careful friend, you’re risking a visit by the Secret Service!
Seriously, I could tell from the rest of your sentence you meant to say Osama.
Great posts otherwise!
I admit that it looks like the courts are terrified of being forced to deal with it. The Congress won't touch it, and the States are afraid to touch it as well. That doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate issue, it means that we have a lot of people who won't insist on following the law when they are scared of the result.
After two and a half years of this going nowhere, I am ready to concentrate on beating him in 2012.
I have been concentrating on beating him since before he was elected. However, I don't want people believing he was legitimate in the first place. The truth matters.
As for beating him, I have said for two years that the most effective way of beating him is by requiring him to present real (Original) credentials. I think what he has shown, (if actually from Hawaii) is amended or otherwise modified in order to cover up whatever it is that he's afraid for the public to learn. If a single state requires proof, and he refuses to comply, it will cost him the election in ALL states, because no one will understand why he would rather concede a state than produce the proof.
Has any state passed legislation requiring a presidential candidate to present a birth certificate to be on the ballot? I haven’t really kept up except I know Brewer vetoed the bill in AZ. Heck, we can’t even get a state to pass voter ID.
As for the truth, somewhere down the road someone will discover it, probably years from now. It won’t help. Until the Supreme Court sets out a legal definitive definition of natural-born citizen, nothing will change.
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