Obama’s ineligibility: Our Lexington and Concord moment is coming

Canada Free Press ^ | June 24, 2011 | Lawrence Sellin

[Ordinary_American]

In a February 13, 1818 letter to H. Niles, John Adams wrote:

“But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was affected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations…This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.“

The first “shots” of the Second American Revolution have not been fired, but the battle lines have been drawn.

There is now a radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the American people.

Petitioning the current Congress for the redress of grievances is futile. Members of Congress have turned a deaf ear to the voices of their constituents.

The present occupiers of the US Government openly violate the Constitution, are hopelessly corrupt and politically correct, have brought us to the brink of bankruptcy, have opened our borders to illegal immigration and have permitted a fifth column promoting Sharia law to infiltrate our society.

They can no longer be trusted as guardians of our posterity.

Not a week goes by without yet another document analyst claiming that his Certificate of Live Birth presented by Obama at his press conference on April 27, 2011 is a forgery.

[sten]

i would agree.

professional trolls.

jrob should track and publish ips of trolls or just block ip blocks

[Las Vegas Ron]

You began the exchange with, "Are you so juvenile that you come here to get your rocks off by ridiculing and taunting or do you have another agenda? Which one is it?"

Um yeah, because that is all you do here.

[little jeremiah]

Nothing ‘official’ will ever happen regarding the b.c. issue, because it could create a Constitutional/National crisis.

What the aitch do you think we have right now? A slight disagreement between friends? We have a Constitutional National crisis right now and by pretending we don't we make it infinitely worse. If someone has all the signs of cancer and refuses to face the fact they are sick, what happens? Better to face the truth and take corrective measures, or pretend it's just a head cold and will go away by itself?

I don't get you people who make these lame feeble and fake arguments.

[so_real]

Asking “Where is the Birth Certificate?” was the birther focus. It was a huge mistake.

If you go through my post history, you'll find numerous occasions where I've mentioned I was a birther before the term was coined. A birther, then, included all who felt the Constitutional requirements for the office must be met. I'm as proud to be a birther as I am to be a Constitutional conservative -- the Constitution is that important. The media and trolls have taken the term and massaged it, in a Clinton-ian way, to be used exclusively for those doubting Obama was "born in Hawaii". The intent of this redefinition was simply to obfuscate the parental requirements; we saw this coming. In my post history too, and in the post histories of many other FReepers, you'll see us mention the Hawaii-birth aspect was a red herring. By your posts, I see the redefinition effort has been largely successful. The value in the birth certificate for me, and many other Freepers, was only to eliminate the possibility of a "mystery father" having signed on the dotted line that actually was a U.S. citizen at the time Obama was born. Blatant forgery or not, by releasing the fake birth certificate by his own hand, Obama has claimed a foreigner as his parent. I'll take him at his word. And I'll happily spend my spare time pointing out to every one I speak to that Obama is at best a dual-citizen at birth and Constitutionally ineligible for the office. For those who care about the Constitution, this is sufficient to enlighten them and they jump on board. Most folks who remember their high school civics classes "get it". For others it takes a little more effort. But in my experience these last couple years, the number of birthers has expanded ... dramatically, exponentially even. I've certainly seen no evidence that our numbers are shrinking. For me, and others like me, we are off the fence and are only politely waiting for our right to redress our government to run its course. What comes after that, who knows? I guess it'll depend on what the court decides and whether or not the average American has reached the tipping point. But I know what side of the fence I'm on and happy to keep pushing the ball forward.

[allmendream]

Not even close.

Denofrio’s argument was NOT “born in country of two citizen parents” it was a dual citizenship argument.

And it was not here on Free Republic.

When was the first time the “born in country of two citizen parents” argument was advanced here on Free Republic?

How likely do you think it that someone who “always knew” the standard was “born in country of two citizen parents” or was taught this “in grade school” never ONCE advanced that argument until after the election?

[little jeremiah]

Finally you’re making your position clear. Thought so.

[allmendream]

“Most folks who remember their high school civics classes “get it”.” so_real

OK then, why didn't any Freeper, before the election; advance the argument that apparently they should remember from “their high school civics classes”?

Were you here during the election?

Why didn't you tell us all then that “two citizen parents and born in country” was the standard under Article II section 1?

[little jeremiah]

You’re trying to instill defeat. If you feel so defeatist, you should take some time off and try to get some courage and determination.

[zzeeman]

Exactly, the Constitutional Crisis began on the day the usurper was sworn into office (if not before, e.g., certification of elector results). At some point in time looking backward, history will show that a huge cloak of denial has been enveloping the country.

[little jeremiah]

It’s something ickier than spittle on his face.

[little jeremiah]

What amazes me is how many have succumbed to fear and become stunned, paralyzed, or actually complicit. People who know better.

The percentage of actual hard leftist Zero supporters is much smaller than the group above.

It’s damned cowardice that is the cause of this problem; if more citizens in positions of authority who could do something - which includes judges, Congressmen and Senators, Governors, State legislators and all the media - spoke the truth and asked the real questions - even 10% of these people - we wouldn’t be in the burning hell we’re in now. Cowardice is merely a lazy way of supporting Evil.

[Jeff Winston]

Can you state that there is absolutely no doubt at all in your mind that B. Obama is a natural born citizen of the US?

No, I can't say that I have "absolutely no" doubt about the question.

It's possible that he's not a natural born citizen.

It's possible that the birth certificate is a fraud. Do we have any convincing proof of that? No, but it's still a possibility.

It's possible that the Supreme Court could rule that Vattel was right and that what most people believe about "natural born citizen" is all wrong.

What I can say, though, is that first of all, it doesn't seem at all likely that anybody is going to be able to really prove the birth certificate is a fraud. So that's not really going to go anywhere.

And secondly, I'd give the Vattel argument maybe a 1 in 1,000 chance.

In other words, both things appear to be dead ends.

In some ways, I don't mind a bit of birtherism. It's kind of fun.

But when people start claiming that it's "proven" that Obama is ineligible, or that they're the only ones who care about the Constitution, or that those of us who don't buy into it all are "loony," then it becomes a bit hard for me not to jump in.

[zzeeman]

Yes, it is truly a spiritual battle between Good and Evil and this cowardice (ignoring the truth) has certainly revealed that many more than previously thought have indeed sided with Evil.

[Twinkie]

Actually, the document they released has had quite a bit of doubt cast on it. I wouldn’t doubt it having been manufactured, given the fact that Obama is given a pass on anything and everything that any conservative would be skewered endlessly for. The media has bent over backwards so as not to appear ignorant or racist.

If Obama’s handlers intended the birth certificate thing to ROPE-A-DOPE; well, it worked, but apparently not as well as they intended. Obama has been “IN YOUR FACE, WHITEY, YOU GONNA PAY RICH CRACKA!!”, not at all forthcoming, so the lack of trust of him is magnified.

[allmendream]

Lack of trust was what hit the birthers and Trump after their Quixotic quest asking “Where is the Birth Certificate?” ended in disaster- leading to a loss of half their numbers - and 0bama rubbing salt into the gaping holes in their credibility by releasing long form COLB T-shirts and coffee mugs.

You had three years to convince people that the short form was “obviously fake” and yet nobody important seems convinced.

Do you plan on doing anything different in showing that the long form is also “obviously fake”?

Do you expect a different result after doing the same thing?

How does declaration that the forms produced are fake advance the argument that “born of two citizen parents in country” is the standard under Article II section 1?

[smedley64]

"...Why didn't you advance this argument during the election?"

You mean it was up to Freepers and other citizens to make sure Obama was Constitutionally eligible?

I always thought it was up to the two worthless parties, or at least one of our failed branches of government.

Yeah, I know...what was I thinking?! Depending on politicians/lawyers/judges and the enemedia to do their jobs? You're right! We should all be shot for being naive enough to trust that both parties, despite their warts, would at least find constitutionally eligible candidates.

Your position seems to be that it was up to FR and every other citizen to vet the candidates, and since we failed to discuss certain aspects of Obama's ineligibility then, then the discussion should be entirely over now. Good luck with that.

[allmendream]

My position is that anybody who claims that “born in country of two citizen parents” is something they have always known, learned in grade school, or learned in High School civics class is either lying now - or was totally remiss in not advancing this argument during the election.

So which is it?

Do you believe it at all likely that this is something that many people learned in their basic education - and yet not a SINGLE ONE OF THEM on any Free Republic thread - even ONCE - advanced that argument - until after the election?

I don't find it likely - it like most other things birthers want to believe - is contradicted by actual evidence.

If everyone knew this from “High School Civics class” - why didn't a single one advance this argument?

I think this is the birthers BEST argument - not that he was ‘really’ born in Kenya (and thus the COLB’s from Hawaii are faked), not the dual citizenship argument, or any other.

I just wonder why this is something that ‘everybody should know’ and yet not a single person on Free Republic (a highly informed and politically active group, on the whole) brought it up until after the election.

It doesn’t seem credible or at all likely to me that a bunch of FReeprs “knew” that this was the standard - from High School - and yet nobody seemed to bring it up even once until after the election.

[Vendome]

You do know that the democrats are the original birthers and challenged John McCain’s candidacy.

Hey, in fact, your buddy Barry was a co sponsor of Senate Resolution 511 which declared John Sidney McCain a “Natural Born Citizen” and even went on to describe what constitutes a “Natural Born Citizen”.

[Vendome]

LOL

Loren C.’s twin?

[Ratman83]

Try this Thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2116862/posts