TRUE GREATS like Clarence Thomas, Janice Rodgers Brown, Harman Cain, Thomas Sowell, Alan West, Star Parker, Walter E. Williams
Posted on 06/24/2011 6:25:19 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
In a February 13, 1818 letter to H. Niles, John Adams wrote:
“But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was affected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations…This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution.“
The first “shots” of the Second American Revolution have not been fired, but the battle lines have been drawn.
There is now a radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the American people.
Petitioning the current Congress for the redress of grievances is futile. Members of Congress have turned a deaf ear to the voices of their constituents.
The present occupiers of the US Government openly violate the Constitution, are hopelessly corrupt and politically correct, have brought us to the brink of bankruptcy, have opened our borders to illegal immigration and have permitted a fifth column promoting Sharia law to infiltrate our society.
They can no longer be trusted as guardians of our posterity.
Not a week goes by without yet another document analyst claiming that his Certificate of Live Birth presented by Obama at his press conference on April 27, 2011 is a forgery.
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Why are you hijacking this thread?
Trollish behavior....
Prove it.
Why do you post comments on a topic you apparently don’t care about? That makes you a troll. What are the anti-birthers afraid of?
Likely you are not a rare truth seeking troll (Oxymoranus duplicitus), but Donofrio (correct spelling) as of 3 days ago has a refreshed essay on the subject disputing your statements. See naturalborncitizen.com.
please explain how
It has been used quite a bit, along with a whole host of other distracting tactics. You see them show up on almost all of the threads, sometimes there are even new trolls and new tactics. In a recent one they had some nutbag show up and shriek like a banshee about nonsense that completely disrupted the flow; they have been trained well and are very ubiquitous.
I do care about the topic.
Ridicule is the proper social response to the ridiculous.
Shame is the proper response when you have acted shamefully.
If birthers were content to go their merry way concocting conspiracy theories I wouldn't be involved.
But they went about insisting upon a litmus test - no listening to Conservative commentators - no voting for Conservative candidates - they are all traitors and need to be tried and hung because they are not signing on as birthers!
Then Trump championed their cause - and got them what they had been asking for for YEARS! “Where is the Birth Certificate?” they asked, and “Free the Long Form!”, and the cries that “For $20 he could make this all just go away!”.
How did that work out for them?
Just as I warned them it would. It would blow up in faces, destroy the candidacy of anyone who championed it, and hurt the chances of voting the bastard out of office - and the document would be said to be “obviously fake” anyway.
Luckily it was only Trump, and far enough from the election that hopefully it won't make a difference.
But maybe if we start putting up billboards asking “Where is the REAL Birth Certificate?” and insisting that we want to see video of 0bama or his lawyer picking it directly up from the Hawaii DOH - maybe THAT will be your next “Trump” card!
Yeah - get right on that! What could possibly go wrong?
the timing of the claim matters because....
also, without ANY documentation, any and all claims are based on nothing. once the document was produced then, and only then, can you move forward
as for Berg, his claims are technically irrelevant... as it’s not up to us to prove 0bama is not eligible... it’s up to 0bama to prove he is eligible.
Berg was forced into action since 0bama had not complied with the request for eligibility documentation in june. the same request made of mccain in march who provided all the documentation upon request.
mccain’s eligibility was questioned for weeks by the drive-bys. 0bama’s non-response was and has been ignored
Donofrio’s argument was not “born in country of two citizen parents” and revisionist history will not make it so.
His argument had to do with 0bama getting British citizenship at birth through his father - not the mere fact that his father was not a citizen.
How likely do you find it that people who ‘always knew’ or were ‘taught in grade school’ that the standard was “born in country of two citizen parents” never ONCE advanced that argument during the election here on Free Republic?
I don't find it likely at all. But some people are far more credible than good sense would mandate.
TRUE GREATS like Clarence Thomas, Janice Rodgers Brown, Harman Cain, Thomas Sowell, Alan West, Star Parker, Walter E. Williams
please explain the difference between a native born citizen and a natural born citizen.
Alinskyite disruptors.
I still question the BC it wasn't the long form and his father was a Kenyan making Obama ineligible there too.
Your obvious disdain is caused by what? Are you resentful because you have a similar background as Obama? You anti Constitutionalists types have really thin skin.
So wipe the spittle off of your face and calm down.
You began the exchange with, "Are you so juvenile that you come here to get your rocks off by ridiculing and taunting or do you have another agenda? Which one is it?"
Your question was designed as a "When did you stop beating your wife?" kind of question. And it's typical of what we've heard from birthers. Personal attacks all the way.
If you don't agree with us, then you're a troll, an Obot, you're "raping the Constitution," and on and on it goes.
In spite of that, I will now answer the question. It is the latter: I have another agenda, although not a particularly nefarious one.
I am here, as mlo has noted, to defend the truth as I understand it, and also to defend the Constitution and laws of the United States.
Unfortunately, we no longer have only the leftists to worry about. Now we also have "friendly fire," in the form of well-intentioned people "on our side" who seem completely prepared to reinterpret the Constitution at will to make it say things it apparently does not say (in spite of wishful thinking), all in order to try and get rid of a President that almost makes one long for the days of Jimmy Carter.
I'm all for getting rid of Obama, but I'm not in favor of shredding the Constitution, or the truth, in order to do it. Sorry. It appears at this point that we're going to have to do the hard work of campaigning and voting the bastard out.
Nor do I think that a movement to reinterpret the Constitution according to our wishes, or to bend the truth, makes us look good. I just don't buy it.
If you can convincingly prove that the birth certificate is a forgery, or that in spite of Minor v. Happersett, Wong Kim Ark, and the accumulated legal consensus that "natural born citizen" and "native born citizen" apparently mean the same thing, then you're welcome to do so.
But the fact is, a long and intense discussion on these matters has left quite a few FReepers, up to and including Jim Robinson himself, unconvinced of the merits of those arguments. (I speak at least in regard to the forgery arguments. I haven't seen Jim post on the legal questions.)
The pattern, typically, has been that birthers have fallen short on the facts and reason, and because of that have resorted to simple name calling, just as we've seen in this thread.
The Constitution mentions only two subdivisions of citizenship - natural born or naturalized.
One is either natural born - or one must undergo a legal process to “natural-ize” what would otherwise only be imparted through natural law at birth - natural allegiance to these United States.
So how does asking “Where is the Birth Certificate?” advance the argument that “born in country of two citizen parents” is the standard under Article II section 1?
And how likely do you find it that someone who ‘always knew’ or was ‘taught in grade school’ that the standard was “born in country of two citizen parents” was here on Free Republic all during the election and NOT ONCE advanced that argument?
Maybe you believe that everyone knew it back then, and everyone knows it now - but the historic record of posts here on Free Republic seems to make a mockery of that claim.
Can you state that there is absolutely no doubt at all in your mind that B. Obama is a natural born citizen of the US?
There have been many that have gotten banned, even recently. So I guess according to conman, it’s all cleared out now.
ha ha
You said it was not brought up be for the election, I showed you it was. Right Wrong or whatever it was before the election.
You said it was not brought up be for the election, I showed you it was. Right Wrong or whatever it was before the election.
It’s not ignorance that causes these people to make the comments they do. It’s ideology and a job.
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