Posted on 05/28/2011 8:54:29 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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I disagree. Rightly or wrongly, since the recent LF release, many voters no longer regard this as an issue. And the idea of a hospital pressuring a patient to authorize disclosure of Protected Health Information WILL scare people. “Why are they involved in this?” “If they pressure him to release that, what will they pressure me to release?”
Most people do not want their health information made public. It’s easy for people to start inventing scenarios when their privacy will be on the line.
Same as N-S and other FINOs!!!
“And when he said that the HDOH had already confirmed the genuineness I wondered what hes been smoking. The HDOH claims they sent 2 certified copies of a long-form BC. They refuse to say whether what they sent is what Obama posted.”
They confirmed it here:
On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
They sent him a PDF? Is that what they are saying - that the PDF Obama posted is what they sent Obama? The “2 copies” were PDF files?
They’re saying that he posted what they sent him and they describe it as a “certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth”.
I repeat: Are they saying they sent him the PDF that he posted?
Show me the words where they claim that what he posted is specifically what they sent him. When WND asked them specifically whether what Obama posted was what they had sent him, the HDOH refused to answer the question. If that is what they are saying on their website then they would have no reason to refuse to say it to WND, or refuse to simply say that their website already says they confirmed that Obama posted what they sent him. Given their refusal to state it point-blank to WND, I would say that is NOT what their website is claiming, and that there is a reason their website is not specifically claiming that even though they are giving the APPEARANCE of having said it.
And that by itself tells us all we need to know about the HDOH. They’re preparing themselves to be able to argue over what the meaning of “is” is.
And besides all that, even if what he posted is what they sent him or an unmanipulated scan of what they sent him, it doesn’t meet the legal requirements of the HDOH’s own rules, AND it shows signs of forgery. So the only question at this point is whether the HDOH sent a forged BC, or whether Obama’s people manipulated what the HDOH sent them.
The chain of custody suggests the Obama people did something to do it - as does the crazy, layered PDF with LOTS of anomalies and the refusal to let anybody see the genuine copy - with the possible exception of Savannah Guthrie, who needs to be questioned because her story doesn’t match what was in the White House’s version of the gaggle report for that day. She was also the person who was attacking Donald Trump shortly before, because he was suggesting that Obama was hiding something.
And we should not forget (or fail to comprehend what it means) that the seal that shows on the FActcheck photos could not have been on the paper when it was photographed - which means that the Factcheck people absolutely lied when they said they saw and photographed a COLB with a seal on it. If they could lie so visibly and treasonously, then why couldn’t Savannah Guthrie do the same - especially when her story doesn’t match the White House story and her photo barely shows any sign of a seal at all, in contrast with the Factcheck photos which were supposedly taken of a seal embossed on the BACK?
Hawaii say quite clearly that:
“On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.”
They then offer a link to the Whitehouse site showing the certificate.
If you can interpret that as anything other than a clear and unequivocal statement, I’d love to hear what you think it is that they’re saying.
It states everything quite clearly. Now then, how much do you know about the “certification” process?
Certified means an official looked at it and is ready to stake their job and reputation on the line as to its veracity. Is their room for doubt of an official’s veracity?
The whole issue only raises the questions that any court case would: certified by whom; what is the process; who sees the original microfiche; who readies it for imprint onto safety paper; etc.
These are not illogical nor unwarranted questions if there is doubt. As far as we know, only one person is allowed to see the original as captured by the microfiche. Why should that be?
I think you’ll find that any judicial process would simply take the Hawaii statement at face value. Exactly like judicial processes do all over the country, day in and and day out.
Well, Obama has a “judicial process” in his DOJ that gives out assault rifles to Mexicans.
Face value is divided when it comes from two-faced politicians and their administrative satraps.
Well, you could be screwed cause you’re wrong or it could be cause the system is ‘in’ on the conspiracy. I reckon it’s the former.
They cited the White House site. According to that site, Obama posted a scan of his certified copy of his original birth certificate. When the HDOH was asked directly whether what Obama posted was what they had sent him, the HDOH refused to say.
IOW, they are pointing people to Obama’s claims. Obama claims that he posted a scan of his certified BC.
It’s a little bit like people saying that Janice Okubo confirmed that Obama posted his genuine COLB, even though the Politifact article closed with her saying that she could not say what the online image represents. The HDOH has steadfastly refused to say whether what was posted is genuine or not.
I can tell you right now - as I have already said - that what Obama posted, even in non-manipulated paper form, would not suffice as a legally-certified birth certificate if presented in court. It does not meet the requirements stated in the HDOH’s rules. And the HDOH would know that immediately, on sight.
“They cited the White House site. According to that site, Obama posted a scan of his certified copy of his original birth certificate.”
Yep, and Hawaii confirmed that when they said that “On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.”
We can go round and round about what that statement means, but the fact remains that when WND asked the HDOH to specifically confirm that what Obama posted online was what they had sent to him, they refused to do that. That’s all a person needs to know about what the HDOH has or hasn’t said.
It’s sort of like when Fukino gave her July 2009 statement and then Okubo said that they could not stray AT ALL from the language of the statement or say anything to clarify it. That, right there, should have set the place aflame with red flags. That tells the whole world that they are VERY CAREFULLY parsing the meaning of the word “is”.
These are the same people who told me they have no birth record for Virginia Sunahara, even though her name is listed in their birth index. I trust them as far as I can throw their entire office, and that doesn’t count the throwing up I do when I think of them.
These are also the same people who made a similar statement (something like “President Obama has posted his COLB...”) regarding the COLB supposedly photographed by Factcheck - even though I have shown that the seal on those photos COULD NOT have been on the page when it was photographed, which shows both Factcheck and the HDOH to be the deliberate liars they are.
Anthony Weiner resigned from the US House of Representatives after it was found he had made vague but libelous accusations of a crime (hacking of his Twitter account) in order to hide his personal lewdness. The HDOH has been vaguely libeling “birthers” by deliberately lying in OFFICIAL COMMUNICATIONS. That is documented.
If you’re still believing what they say at this point, then you are emotionally in far worse shape than any of the teeny-boppers Weiner showed his weiner to. Once they saw the lies they agreed that Weiner had seriously violated the public’s trust. You’re being taken for a ride; the evidence of the HDOH’s lies has been shown but unlike the teeny-boppers you are “standing by your man” as if the HDOH has any credibility after the lies and law-breaking they’ve been documented as doing.
I’m sorry, but I can’t help you. You’re not willing to be helped.
Do you have the wording of the HDOH ‘refusal’ to confirm. Maybe they just refused to make any comments at all thinking, rightly IMO, that their statement was as clear and unambiguous as it needed to be.
If you think they’re carefully parsing their words, what other interpretation would you put on the following statement?
“On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.” (followed by a link to the WH page showing the image and PDF of the certificate).
The word “yes” is a shorter answer than “no comment”. If they had time to say “no comment” then they could just as easily have said “yes”.
The only reason to not do so is if the statement they already made was NOT making that claim, so a “yes” would be more than they had ever said before.
As I have said repeatedly, I would interpret their statement to mean that they were citing Obama’s claim that he had posted his BC.
God knows that what Obama posted shows no sign of a seal and so could NOT have been a “certified copy”. I am a lowly, unsophisticated, computer-challenged mom and within 2 minutes I could post (and HAVE posted) a photo of a death certificate that shows a seal with great clarity. And it’s in a form that doesn’t allow text to be manipulated too. So any moron could have posted a genuinely-believable “birth certificate” online simply by snapping a pic and uploading it. No lawyers necessary, no fudging around, no waffling on whether or not somebody was able to see a photo, no one photo having faint smudges where a seal would be and another showing nothing at all.
It would be a piece of cake for both Abercrombie and the HDOH to confirm the legitimacy of what Obama posted to a news organization (which is supposed to be able to get a verification of birth claims anyway, but which the HDOH refuses to do). The fact that they won’t do it speaks loudly. (Both entities were asked, according to http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=313665 )
It would be a piece of cake for Obama to post photos of a genuine birth certificate so that there was no question about its genuineness. The fact that he won’t do that speaks volumes. The fact that he instead posted a PDF with text manipulation specifically enabled speaks even more loudly. Even the photocopies he gave to the media were made from a PRINT-OUT rather than from an original certified copy, as evidenced by the thin paper allowing print from the page below it to be picked up in the scan.
Factcheck could have done the same with the COLB. Instead, they CLAIMED they saw a real piece of paper with a real seal on it, but published a photo of a seal that could not have been on the paper when it was photographed because it does not distort the way it would have to distort if the seal was on a page actually photographed in that position. IOW, they lied - which is a serious violation of the Federal General False Statement Act, the crime of forgery, and misprision of felony. And the HDOH then claimed on their website that Obama had posted his COLB - which, if it is a claim that what Obama posted is genuine, is also a lie, a gross violation of the Federal General False Statement Act, and misprision of felony.
It seems clear to me that both Factcheck and the HDOH have committed blatant federal crimes. More blatant, proven, and concrete than anything Rod Blagojevich has done. But the people covering for Factcheck and the HDOH are more crooked than even the Chicago machine. Sad thing. Nobody within our government or media has an ounce of integrity or credibility at this point. They’re as dirty and bloody as the Chicago mafia, and anybody with their eyes open can see it.
It is a waste of time to talk to you. I’ve said this stuff over and over, and it makes no difference to you.
But they didn’t say:
On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama claims to have posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.
They said:
On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.
For someone who apparently fixates on the minutiae of whatever Onaka, Fukino or the HDOH says, you seem to be losing the need for precision in their words on this one.
Why? Probably because the clarity of the statement goes against what you want to see in the words.
“God knows that what Obama posted shows no sign of a seal and so could NOT have been a certified copy.”
You not being able to discern a seal on the images you’ve looked at does not equate to a DEFINITIVE absence of a seal.
You haven’t touched it, so can’t make that claim. Savannah Guthrie has and she says it does have a seal. She even took a photo of it, here:
BTW, it is certified. Hawaii has formally stated that “On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.”
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