Posted on 04/27/2011 11:37:37 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
Here are the points I see 1) This is a big win for Trump and America. 2) The release has killed Obama's plan to use a Clintonian rope a dope with this issue. I think he planned to let this issue simmer until October 2012 then pull the rug out from under Trump or whoever the GOP nominee is. That card has been played and it still hasn't killed the issue, you can hear that in the way it is being reported. 3) There are still a few serious questions about the document and what it does. Since Obama's mother was only 18 at his birth and his father being a Kenyan did he get the type of citizenship required to be president? 4) Trump is just beginning. If he could get Obama to answer this question in a month, he will have less trouble with other issues. How can Obama keep dodging demands to release his 2012 budget?
This is a long way from over and the score is Trump ONE Obama and the media ZERO so far.
Agree! BTW,
I managed to download a PDF file (from the White House Web Site) and was looking at what you are looking at.
PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
1) In Adobe right click over the document and left click “Marquee Zoom”
2) Now scroll up and down the document (with wheel on your mouse). Look at what you were looking at.
You can clearly see it it in the name Barack (how the R sticks out), and then scroll down the document and you can clearly see the white out with the type over.
And Trump’s enough of a known qualtity and attention whore, for want of a better term, that they can dump on him the way they dumped on Palin and he’ll revel in the attention.
Weren’t the birthers expecting to find that he didn’t have a valid birth certificate? That he was born in Kenya?
The only good thing about this is that we can get Trump off stage and start thinking about a real conservative candidate.
There are several states who are considering legislation that require the president to prove he is constitutionally eligible to hold the office. He is hoping that a release of a document will stop them in their tracks.
That's right, it's not a "Picture" file. PDF is a Document file. They forgot to sync the layers into one "Picture" in the PDF document.
Poorly done FakeOut!
What happened to the “things you wouldn’t believe” that Trump’s people were telling him? He comes off looking like Trump the Chump to me.
I think folks are missing the key issue.
If his father had Kenyan citizenship at birth, then Obama’s “natural born citezenship” status is in doubt.
Please note that Natural Born Citizenship is NOT THE SAME as having citizenship at birth. Congress is free to define all manner of people as having citizenship at birth. But the “Natural Born” status in the constitution does not depend on congressional law. It is set theory — many people can have citizenship conferred at birth by congress who are not “natural born citzens”.
The citenship of the parents is a KEY ISSUE for determining natural born status.
Look at these two supreme court cases:
Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
Also the supreme court cases habitually cite “The Law of Nations” Book I, Chapter 19, § 212, which in translation says:
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. . . .
Natural born does not depend on congressional law at all.
Your research is lacking. The citizenship of the parents is a key issue. This might help:
Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
Also the supreme court cases habitually cite “The Law of Nations” Book I, Chapter 19, § 212, which in translation says:
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. . . .
Just when will the fact that he has a foreign father matter?
Well if all things fail, the GOP will have to beat Obama at the ballot box. Right now they are trying everything else to get Obama off the ballot. Not much confidence in winning on the issues? Sad.
Like you, I want to get to the issues so we can get this socialist out of the White House because of what he has done to this country, not because of who some think he might be. And the concept that some might vote for a statist like Trump just because they like his stance on this one issue is scary. That's like saying you'll support Papa Joe Stalin's agenda just because he helped get rid of Hitler.
You can go to any corner in California and get proof of citizenship ..so how long has Barack had to have this “document “ fixed??
Agree 100%
No newbie, we were expecting to get a valid “long form birth certificate” to prove several factors.
We still dont have it.........
Chester Arthur’s father was an Irish citizen when Chester was born. I’m not a lawyer but that seems to establish a precedent.
Darn! I forgot a point: If CNN and its sister network Fox “settled” the matter how did they do so without seeing this document?
The truth is CNN and their pals at Fox were trying to make the issue go away. CNN because they were scared to death of it, and Fox because they were scared to death of being called birthers. But as I said “How DID they KNOW Obama was born in Hawaii without seeing this long form birth certificate?”
Exactly!
Why would he spend millions to hide it?
The man is a fraud. If he was real, then we would already have it.
Since Trump is sucking the oxygen from the room on a lot of other Republican/Conservative candidates. But most candidates haven’t bitten on the birther issue. Some have outright said it wasn’t an issue or they did a dance with words that gave them a lot of rope to go either way. In other words, there wasn’t a lot of blood going to be spilled between the candidates on this issue.
It was only Trump with his investigation that kept it alive.
So why not allow Trump to focus on his more important issues that will now force the other candidates to respond? Those other issues is where the blood will begin to spill. And that will allow Obama and other democrats to divide republicans and conservatives as their candidate(s) jockey for position and wins in the primaries.
Past errors do not change The Constitution....
Past errors do not change The Constitution....
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