Ammo Recall

A Day In The Life Of An Ambulance Driver ^ | February 11, 2011 | Kelly Grayson

[rangerX]

I load a lot of 45-90, usually with 3031 or something of similar bulk. It leaves a lot of space. One of Ken Waters’ tricks was to use wadding on top of the powder to keep the powder down against the primer. I’ve used a lot of different waddings, but a single sheet of toilet paper carefully folded and inserted into the cartridge on top of the powder charge has seemed to work best. Never had a misfire, and very accurate loads in my 1886 Winchester. Pretty cool when you shoot and see shreds of TP flying about 20 yards out of the barrel.

[antisocial]

Thanks for the ping-don’t have any of the affected brands.

[Durus]

I understand the concept and I like the idea of minimizing potential risk but we have to draw the line between that and paranoia. Show me a case where hand loaded ammo used in a good shoot sent someone to jail.

[ExSoldier]

There was apparently such a case in Boise ID, but I couldn't get to it from my computer & I don't quite understand why... but here is something to THINK about when contemplating this issue. Also remember that what you think of as a "good shoot" isn't always so. Who decides that? A jury. If a jury says it's not a "good shoot," then it's not. Who comprises a jury? The odds are they will be 12 ordinarily incompetent people who do not understand firearms or ammunition. How many people do you know outside your normal circle of friends or family who DO understand the nuances of your affection for your pastimes and hobbies connecting to firearms?

Next, consider the single thing that mostly links our society together. Education. K-12 public schools. Exclude home-schoolers and private school (to a degree) and we're mostly all products of the public schools. 25 years ago, under no circumstances could I remotely imagine a set of circumstances whereby local law enforcement and or state level national guard troops would ever willingly contravene the US Constitution and by force of arms confiscate the lawfully owned firearms of citizens. Then, along came Hurricane Katrina.

I've been a "big city" public school teacher for 21+ years; 15 of those deep in the inner city. What have I seen demonstrated across the curriculum in lock step and duplicated in every state? A universal and visceral hatred towards firearms and those who own them. Particularly toward those who could be considered "avid" enthusiasts. What political demographic controls the school systems? Liberal. They just sort of snuck in there unseen in the late 1950s and early 1960s. They festered and so did their ideology.

Now they not only control the classrooms, they control the curriculums and they control (largely) the administrative positions from the school level (principals and their assistants) all the way up to the school boards and even the State Departments of Education.

Now bring all of that full circle, back to that jury box that decides which "shoots" are valid or not. Now picture an antigun prosecutor with higher office in mind. Do you really want to be his test case over the money you'll "save" or the quality you'll "insure" by using ammunition you loaded yourself in a real self defense situation? Not me! Paranoid? You BET!

[Squantos]

I don’t buy into that albeit it is something to consider. Lots of gun rag writers embellish this concern yet they are IMO .... “salesmen” first and honest last.

I use what I have on hand yet try to carry quality fodder from a reliable commercial source. Like you I don’t want to push the press to test button and be a rung aka exhibit A on a liberal DA’s career ladder.

Any DA says I carefully planned to kill a person by rolling my own ammo .

... I will let em know I carefully did to keep me, mine and ours alive if rabid trash forced me into a last resort situation per se...

It is silly to think I plan for the bad guys health and welfare by carrying politically correct ammunition. I carry for self defense. I carry tools that will more than likely kill an attacker if properly used. I do not shoot to wound I shoot to stop the threat. I carry the best I can afford and control in high stress situations. More times than not I carry reloads, Gold Dot Hollow Points, 125gr for my 357SIG. Or commercial 275gr JHP Guncrafter Industries 50GI.

Stay Safe !

[Durus]

If one were involved in a shooting and it goes to trial than you have already lost. They are going to throw anything they can at you in order to get a conviction. Unpaid parking tickets, bomb making (spare plumbing pieces and smokeless powder from reloading equal bomb maker to some), illegal weapons (they will cut off the barrel for you), making silencers (just need some washers kicking around) you name it. The safest thing to do would be to get rid of any "arms" you might have and willingly become a victim. Which of course is the goal, as it's easier to subjugate a populace which is dependent on the ruling class for their safety.

Fighting back against this meme requires a certain amount of risk, but so does the alternative. Mossad Ayoob hates the phrase "I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" but he misses the point that among us normal people (not famous magazine writers and firearm trainers) those are sometimes the only options left.

When faced with the extreme of shoot or die do you want to depend on ammo made in a factory run by people who don't know you, or something you made yourself that you know will work. If you don't think our jury system is capable of understanding this, than anything we do is an exercise in futility.