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Juan Williams and President Obama’s grandmother
Big Bureaucracy ^ | October 21st, 2010 | Ellie Velinska

Posted on 10/21/2010 10:13:12 AM PDT by Big Bureaucracy

'Mom, look: ghosts!' - screamed my little boy when he was four on a playground pointing at few mothers dressed in traditional Islamic outfits.

I guess he will never work for the National Public Radio. NPR fired Juan Williams, liberal journalist and commentator, over the following remark made on O’Reilly Factor:

'I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country, but when I get on a plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they're identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous'.
The NPR shouldn’t have disowned Juan Williams whose remark fell into the category of President Obama’s grandmother:
'I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.'

We should be able to discuss honestly our struggles with stereotypes without being afraid of losing our job. If we keep hiding the truth the solutions for our problems will be based on lies and most likely will not work.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: billoreilly; fired; juanwilliams; mikehuckabee; myblog; npr; obamasgrandmother
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To: Big Bureaucracy; manc; scripter; a fool in paradise; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; xzins; ...
There is no flip flop. They should not serve secretly.

This is what you wrote in post #22:

Homosexuals should be evaluated like everybody else - they apply honestly if found able to serve - they serve - if found not able - not serve.

Now you sound like John Kerry, you were for them serving before you were against them serving.

As far as openly - they should be evaluated like everybody else - they probably will be found not able to serve by the psychologists - application denied - problem solved

First of all, to the best of my knowledge, there is not any sort of intensive psychological exam required to enlist.

Secondly, relying on psychologists to get anything right (military or not) is typically a bad idea.

Once again, why won't you just answer my original question with a yes or no answer. Tell me what YOU think, not what you assume a psycholigist might say:

Do YOU think homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the United States Military? YES or NO

41 posted on 10/21/2010 1:00:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

Now I’m getting angry.

READ THE ARTICLES LINKED AND EDUCATE YOURSELF! If you refuse to do so, then AFAIAC you are a homosexual agenda pushing troll.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608370/posts

In Support the 1993 Law Stating that Homosexuals are not Eligible to Serve in the Military

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2608320/posts

Court Cases Reveal the Destructive Effects of Homosexual Misconduct [In the Military]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608306/posts

Rates of Homosexual Assault in the Military Are Disproportionately High

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608193/posts

Homosexual Assault in the Military


42 posted on 10/21/2010 1:00:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: a fool in paradise
Exactly!
43 posted on 10/21/2010 1:01:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: a fool in paradise

‘But I don’t want to rehash old threads across off topic threads. Just pointing out that it opens a pandora’s box and increases the red tape.’

Good point!
It shouldn’t - if they show up honestly at the recruiter’s office - it all will stop there.They don’t accept all men and women. They should be able to evaluate and deny them or accept them, not sneak them in.


44 posted on 10/21/2010 1:03:11 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: little jeremiah

‘Now I’m getting angry.’

DADT sneaks them into the military, why are you defending DADT? You are defending a law that makes the matter worse.


45 posted on 10/21/2010 1:06:02 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy
it is dishonest - it is all I am saying.

No. That isn't all you're saying. You are advocating for screening them and allowing some to serve. Before DADT they were not allowed to serve OPENLY. Striking down DADT also struck down the ban. People with behavioral and mental disorders do NOT belong in the military.

46 posted on 10/21/2010 1:11:46 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Big Bureaucracy; little jeremiah; manc; scripter; a fool in paradise; DJ MacWoW; xzins; ...
DADT sneaks them into the military, why are you defending DADT?

Where has LJ EVER supported DADT?

Maybe you should answer my question and not make baseless accusations:

Do YOU think homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the United States Military? YES or NO

47 posted on 10/21/2010 1:13:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

‘tell me what YOU think, not what you assume a psycholigist might say’

I am against them serving secretly.
I respect everybody who is able and willing to serve.
There may be one person with two artificial legs who is able and willing to serve - he/she should serve.
I am nobody to say who is able and who is not - individuals should be evaluated individually.


48 posted on 10/21/2010 1:13:16 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: DJ MacWoW

everybody is screened. What is the big deal. If none of them is able (very likely) - none of them will serve.


49 posted on 10/21/2010 1:15:29 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy; little jeremiah; manc; scripter; a fool in paradise; DJ MacWoW; xzins; ...
I am against them serving secretly.
I respect everybody who is able and willing to serve.
There may be one person with two artificial legs who is able and willing to serve - he/she should serve.
I am nobody to say who is able and who is not - individuals should be evaluated individually

It is becoming increasingly obvious that you are either unable or unwilling to answer a very simple yes or no question.

However, I think it's pretty clear from this post that you ARE in favor of allowing sodomites to serve in the United States Military. You seem hesitant about saying so directly and you have adopted the common leftist practice of trying to hide behind nuance, but your agenda is obvious.

50 posted on 10/21/2010 1:18:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I got to get the kids from the school bus.
You guys already banned my post so let’s say we are done with the discussion. I respect your opinion - and the life goes on.
Hope you have a good day.


51 posted on 10/21/2010 1:19:13 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy
What is the big deal.

The big deal is that you are advocating for people with behavioral and mental problems to serve in the military. THAT is not a conservative value.

52 posted on 10/21/2010 1:27:16 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Big Bureaucracy; little jeremiah; manc; scripter; a fool in paradise; DJ MacWoW; xzins; ...
You guys already banned my post so let’s say we are done with the discussion.

I did not try to get your previous thread pulled and I didn't want it to be pulled.

I respect your opinion - and the life goes on.

You never did clarify you earlier comment about freedom of speech. How do you think freedom of speech is relevant on a conservative forum? Do you think people have the right to come on here and say anything they want?

53 posted on 10/21/2010 1:28:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

Where am I supporting DADT? It’s marginally better than allowing them to serve openly.

I clearly stated more than once that homosexuals Do. Not. Belong. In. The. Military. At. All.

You are being dishonest by refusing to clearly state your position.

If you read each article above, you would see that homosexuals cause horrible problems EVEN under DADT. And it will infinitely worse if they are allowed openly.

They should discharge every homosexual in the military and allow none in. I clearly state my position and you refuse to clearly state yours.


54 posted on 10/21/2010 1:44:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: DJ MacWoW

‘The big deal is that you are advocating for people with behavioral and mental problems to serve in the military.’

Not true - all people with behavioral and mental problems have to be denied application for military service. DADT allows them to serve by encouraging them to lie.


55 posted on 10/21/2010 1:45:23 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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To: Big Bureaucracy

homosexuals have a mental disorder so guess what that means to the military?


56 posted on 10/21/2010 1:47:52 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder and should not be encouraged by anyone.)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

what part of Europe then as I have lived in quite a few countries and been to about every country and came from there?


57 posted on 10/21/2010 1:48:54 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder and should not be encouraged by anyone.)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

All homosexuals have psychological and behavioral problems because Same Sex Attraction disorder is a mental illness.

Homosexuality is not normal, natural, or healthy. And if you would read the articles I posted links to above, you would see exactly why allowing them in the military harms other members of the military and thus morale and readiness.


58 posted on 10/21/2010 1:49:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: Big Bureaucracy

have you ever served?
I have so when it comes to this subject I have a little more understanding on how it will change the military and how it will ruin it.

Again have you ever served?


59 posted on 10/21/2010 1:52:33 PM PDT by manc (Homosexuality is a mental disorder and should not be encouraged by anyone.)
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To: wagglebee

‘I did not try to get your previous thread pulled and I didn’t want it to be pulled’

Thank you, I appreciate the civil discussion.

I don’t see how my position is leftist - I am against DADT that helps gays serve secretly in the military.

Half truth - half lie is the Clinton liberal policy. Honesty is conservative approach.


60 posted on 10/21/2010 1:53:45 PM PDT by Big Bureaucracy
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